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Navy83blue - Sorry, no personal involvement in this one, I was just copying a post over from another forum (JH).
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Here's the other side of the story also from where you brought the first post :
Author: Pablo Date: 4/13/2010 9:43:36 AM Wow this is just excellent I would love to know where you get you information from. This is Pablo and I am really appauled at the lack of information which you have. I furthermore say to you that if you are able to fix this wih SRCA then please by all means. SRCA is in a dispute and that is handled by attorney's that are experts. You stated this SRCA has a history of changing contracts...Maybe pay attention to that statment. Again this is Pablo and I can be reached at [email protected]. PS one of the lackeys you may be referring too. |
Facts
FYI, Pablo is a dispatcher that has only been with the company about a month and a half. Not sure how he became the expert on stuff that occurred prior to his arrival. But then again, he is still there hoping for pay! lol:=
Also, from what I can tell, the copied post is fairly accurate. AA has ceased ops and employees have not been paid for the month of March. And, I have copies of the Prince's Letter both in Arabic and translated English..it does exist!:eek: |
Pablo, are you the same "pilot135pd" from Just Helicopters.com?
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I was wondering why I hadn't heard their callsign in the last couple of weeks... now it makes sense, its a pity as its a service this country badly needs.
Best of luck to all. Mutt |
This just.....
This just gets better and better.
Flyclt - I'm really interested in seeing this letter, could you send it to me please via private email. Also, how did you get them? |
I worked for AA until a week ago. I received the letters via email from the Saudi Red Crescent. Sorry, I will not forward them until AA shows they are not willing to pay what is owed. Then all bets are off!:E
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No no
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Yep I have them in both languages also. Really sucks having an empty wallet at tax time :sad:
Just to show you how small the world is, I over heard some folks talking at the Air Methods booth today at the Quad A show about AA and it was NOT in a good light... Cheers! Jolly |
What a shocker
What a shocker that Air Methods or any company would say something not so nice about another company. Did the person have specifics about AA or was it "a friend of mine's 2nd cousin's friend overheard someone" type of info? Lets be real....some of air methods own employees don't talk nice about Air Methods so are comments by another company really relevant without facts.
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Overall its a shame that the program didn't work out..... It would have proven the capability of the 902 in that environment, which would have been a plus for the product.
From past experience, the ME is a difficult place to operate politically. You are paid, what they want and when they want, regardless of prior agreements in place. |
902 has been operating great since 2007 as HEMS in Qatar. Pretty hostile desert environment there with a good amount of heat. 900 w/207E has been on VVIP duty in UAE since 2006. The ship works great in the desert and has been into some really abrasive areas regularly. Don't forget the shipis built in the Arizona desert and regularly sees over 110 F and DAs of 8000 or more. Mexico has had a 900 since the early days operating in Mexico city at 12,000 DAs for years and several more operating off-shore with their Navy armed with rockets and GAU-19. The ship has no problems in hostile and harsh environments.
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Like to invite AA people to do some charity work here in 9A
we do need HEMS too. Our state do not like to pay either.... :} |
May be
Originally Posted by Check6
HU500D, that is not accurate. Stick to the facts! := This program is mandated by HRH King Abdullah and it will continue in one form or another.
Hello Check 6, have you been reading all the post related to the EMS in Saudi, do you need more facts?, because if you need more there are alot more to surface if AA (HH) doesn't pay the salaries of the employees soon.:yuk::yuk::yuk: |
Mmmmm ...
And where are the AW139's coming from pray tell? :E |
Good reply "Mfriskel" ... would like to see an MD902 one day ... MMmnnnnn
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h500d
you got the picture totally right!!!!!!!! have you been in dubai before????
i was there for two years and they changed my contract and most of us left indeed!!! no wonder why there is allways open positions in the midle east..... because the lie to people keep that in mind!!!!!!! do not thrust arabs, pakistanis, or indians because they will screw you up if they can .... in most cases .... there are also good people in there i know but most of them act that way. its just their culture .... |
Wise words Luis and no doubt gained from bitter experience. I am often amazed at the posts from people heading to the ME who obviously think that what they have been told is how it is going to be. Do your research - Pprune is a good place to do that and learn from others experience.
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true
this is the best place to "learn" the scenario around the world ......
when there is one person saying bad stuff about something it maybe a wine person... when there is a whole thread .. keep your eyes wide open something is wrong.... no suprise to anyone i guess... besides pprune is famous world wide .. and u can find anything u like to know here .. fly safe everyone!!! |
HU500D, do you know if AA were paid their dues and are refusing to pay their employees, or are AA awaiting payment from SRCA?
Its a pity that this operation failed, it was fun watching them and listening to them..... Mutt |
Update
AA was not being paid by the SRCA (Saudi Red Crescent Authority), so they simply stopped paying employees and the employees began leaving enmasse. The chairman of AA, has still not paid the employees what is owed, even though money is there for it. The employees were contracted by AA, not the SRCA, so Action is on the hook for the payments. Some of the guys are looking at what legal options are available.:ugh:Problem is, it appears once again the only winners will be the scumbag lawyers.
I personally wanted the program to succeed. They certainly needed the service, we flew over 60 flights in the last month. 95% were car wrecks...go figure! And we were finally making headway with ATC and getting Government cooperation to allow a VFR emergency flight. |
Abu Dhabi Aviation to supply air ambulances to Saudi Red Crescent Authority
Abu Dhabi Aviation to supply air ambulances to Saudi Red Crescent Authority
Abu Dhabi Aviation, the largest commercial helicopter and fixed wing aircraft operator in the Middle East will provide the Saudi Red Crescent Authority with six helicopters which will serve as air ambulances based on an agreement signed at Abu Dhabi Aviation's offices in the UAE's capital. The agreement was signed by Nader Ahmed Al Hammadi, Managing Director, Abu Dhabi Aviation and Dr. Rasheed Al Eid, CEO, Saudi Red Crescent Authority in the presence of HE Sheikh Hamdan Bin Mubarak Al Nahyan, Vice Chairman, Abu Dhabi Aviation and HH Prince Faisal Bin Abd Allah Bin Abd El Aziz, Chairman of the Saudi Red Crescent Authority respectively. Also present were Ambassador Ibrahim Bin Saad Ibrahim, Ambassador of Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in United Arab Emirates, Mohammed Ibrahim Al Mazroui, General Manager and Ahmed Al Khouri, Air Brigadier & Adviser to the President of the board of directors from Abu Dhabi Aviation. Present from Saudi Red Crescent Authority were Captain Mohamed Al Ghaneem, manager of the Aviation team and Majid Al Ghadeer, Communications Manager and other high ranking officials from both parties. "This agreement will further strengthens commercial relations between the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. We're focusing on achieving significant growth in key markets such as Saudi Arabia as part of our expansion strategy. We feel at this point in time we are ready to meet the needs of the Red Crescent Authority and this agreement represents an important milestone in our global expansion strategy. There is so much more that we can provide to the Saudi Red Crescent Authority and this initial agreement is pivotal to our ongoing relationship to work even closer with them in the future," said Prince Faial. For his part, Prince Faisal expressed confidence in Abu Dhabi Aviation's capability to provide the kind of services needed to meet the requirements of Saudi Arabia's Emergency Medical Services programme. "Abu Dhabi Aviation's excellent market reputation provided us with the trust and confidence we needed to seek their services. Undoubtedly, this agreement will prove that the Middle East aviation sector is capable of delivering world-class air ambulances for emergency medical service purposes across the region," said Prince Faial. The agreement is for Abu Dhabi Aviation to provide six helicopters, comprising four Bell 412 and two AW 139 as Air Ambulances providing support to the Saudi Emergency Medical Services programme. The helicopters which will be fully crewed are to be stationed at the two main bases of Saudi Arabia - Jeddah and Riyadh. In addition to the 24/7 coverage in the main bases the helicopters and crew will be positioned in Mecca during the Ramadan and Hajj periods this year. The contract period for one year will commence with immediate effect. |
Mmmmm ...
....... The contract period for one year will commence with immediate effect. .......... Oh joy! .... just in time for 'Summer' AND Ramadan! :eek: |
I hope that all of the right palms have been crossed with silver or it may go the way of Action's operation.
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Mmmm ........
.. It may go the way of Action's operation........... Really doubt that the Saudi Red Crescent will screw with a UAE Govt. owned (?) company .... |
From the outside it looks as thats curtains for AA. Abu Dhabi Aviation seem to be supplying the 6 aircraft (3 in Riyadh, and 3 in Jeddah) that AA failed to do.
Spinwing, as far as I know the SRCA are a government entity..... I don't think they care who the screw, or screw with. |
I noticed their new A319 today on the Saudi register, so its not as if money is an issue.......
Mutt |
H500
Until today Action Aviation (HH) has not paid his employees, it is sad that people like that are allowed to be in this business.:=:=
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For all the people who keep asking the AA/SRCA operation has come to an end TWO aircraft where flown to Bahrain to have operational radios installed of which the SRCA where aware of these aircraft are still there to the best of my knowledge TWO aircraft are in KSA these where the operational aircraft doing the EMS tasking they where withdrawn as no funds where available to continue the operation and the onsite staff began to leave there is no further requirement to recruit staff for this operation :uhoh: I now believe almost all the guys have now found other work and wish them all the best:ok:
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Until today Action Aviation (HH) has not paid his employees, he thinks that because SRCA has not paid him (I don't believe this), he has no obligation to pay to his employees, it is sad that people like that are allowed to be in this business.:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=
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HU500D, do you mean "as of today" vs. "until today?"
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So the SRCA awarded a contract in December 09 ( MD 900 Explorer MSN 900-00127 )but can't afford to pay for it after a couple of months so it closes the whole operation down. Than a few months later it awards the same contract to ADA, using bigger much more expensive machines.... ( Red Crescent to get six air ambulances - Arab News ) Am I missing something or is there a smell of massive corruption here?
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Only the SRCA and AA will know the real story and then only the upper management of those organisations. As for the new contract that is a different deal and time will tell if ADA get paid unfortunatly there is rather a lot of bad press on this and many other web sites I think anyone will find it difficult to recruit Pilots Engineers and medical crews as there is a big group of guys out there who where screwed by the system there. any one interested should think long and hard before commiting as things ie T&C,s political wills management etc:eek: change very quickly but may be good if you have a huge company behind you who will honour your contract whatever happens. :ok:
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The only thing that I know is that Mr. HH of Action Aviation owls almost half a million dollars of salaries to his former employees and he thinks that he should not pay them because he has a feud with the SRCA. :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
I think it’s about time that we use this forums to make sure that nobody else in this industry gets shafted by people like this, that hide behind lawyers to screw honest people that went over there to perform a job.:=:=:=:=:=:= |
It is well know inside and outside of KSA that the SRCA do not pay their bills and are very good at changing contract terms of their own employees once in country a usefull bit of information that AA did not pass on to their employees nor did they pass on the details of local employment law:ooh: for which the SRCA where insisting upon for continued employment. They the SRCA did not pay so AA thought that was their reason not to pay their employees no contact has been made with any of them regarding any possibility of payment. there has been no communication from the whatso ever.:uhoh:
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Beware
Just to make sure it is clear, if you are considering working for Action Aviation, please consider that over 70 employees where not paid final salary or expenses. This is current and to date. The company is a scam as is still lurking for a quick buck. They have money to show off their one aircraft but not to pay employees.
Not bad for my first post, that is how frustrated this company made me! |
Saudi Red Crescent Authority
Saudi Red Crescent - SRCA
Based on Jeddah and Riyadh Aircraft are helicopters so far type Bell 412EP & AW139 supplied by Abu Dhabi Aviation The employees (Mechanic & Pilots) they are Abu Dhabi Aviation contractors, and there are many Saudi employees (Mechanic & Pilots and flight medic) hired by SRCA directly Some of AW-139 / HZ-RC03 images Agusta Westland Helicopter USA - Philadelphi http://www.air.flyingway.com/airplan...c/hzrc03-1.jpg http://www.air.flyingway.com/airplan...c/hzrc03-2.jpg http://www.air.flyingway.com/airplan...c/hzrc03-4.jpg http://www.air.flyingway.com/airplan...c/hzrc03-5.jpg http://www.air.flyingway.com/airplan...c/hzrc03-6.jpg http://www.air.flyingway.com/airplan...c/hzrc03-7.jpg http://www.air.flyingway.com/airplan...c/hzrc03-3.jpg http://www.air.flyingway.com/airplan...c/hzrc03-8.jpg |
Mmm ....
And further to the above post .... :ok: |
Nice photos:ok:
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:ugh: anyone knows ex A6 registration and/or serial number for HZ-RC03 and HZ-RC04 ?? Thanks a lot
Damiano |
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