Heli Aust 139 jobs in WA
 

Whats happening with the Heli Australia AW139 jobs advertised in WA; Has anyone applied, is the EBA out, how does it compare to others on the field?:8

HA...way behind
 

Hi MBH1,

As a person very close to HA i am too wondering what is happening with the EBA for the 139 jobs out of KA. I have heard two lots of info about HA recently and they are not good. Firstly it was regarding the EBA talks for the current HA pilots both KA and Gove. Apparently there will be no negotiations just a published agreement...don't know what that means but apparently there will be no discussions. Can't wait to see the reactions from the pilots. Secondly it is rumoured (pprune) that HA will be at least matching Bristows EBA deal. But from one source inside HA...they have not finalised any pay structures/agreements.
It seems to me that HA will be lagging behind the rest of the big operaters in Australia and hence will soon suffer from the same crewing problems in the very near future unless they are keen match the benefits the other already provide.

hot rumour of 150 applicants - anyone know the score?:rolleyes:

I can't see there being 150 suitable applicants. Will this make way for pilots to join the Perth operation cos I'm guessing some of the existing Perth pilots will take up twin positions or are they both seperate?

I think that the operation will be a H NZ affair.

The ad is for Helicopters NZ ....

HNZ HELICOPTER GROUP OF COMPANIES

HELICOPTER PILOTS & CO-PILOTS

HNZ Pty Ltd is a division of the HNZ Helicopter Group of Companies soon to be operating AW139 aircraft from our Karratha base.

I think a few vacancies may appear for the Perth Base.

Would be great to hear from anyone who got an interview, I sent a resume but got a thanks but no thanks response even though I had a lot more than the minimum for the co positions, Was told they got a lot of applicants with IFR experience. Was all through Human Resources Australia though so not sure why it was advertised by HNZ.....
Would love to know the length of tour's and conditions they were offering.

"I sent a resume but got a thanks but no thanks response"

I've applied also and heard zero... They telling those that aren't getting a shot first before informing those who might, me hopes?

From when i spoke to the HR person she said the the rotations were going to be 2 weeks on 2 weeks off but she added that they are looking into a 28 day cycle. I presume that this would be for the HNZ pilots coming over from NZ (a bit expensive to tour from NZ every two weeks plus all the travel time to get to and from lovely KA)
As far as HA and HNZ go they are basically the same thing. HR for both companies is being based in Perth.
For the 150 applications, they will probably loose a significant amount if they don't at least equal the Bristow or Jayrow EBA. If you can get a better deal there why go to HA.
I eagerly await the pay and conditions...if any one has more info it would be much appreciated.
D1

Under the Trans Tasman agreement they can operate in Aus as if it is NZ.

HNZ is the company with the track record, probably been in the offshore game as long if not longer than anyone in Aus. This company started in 1955 and first got into offshore about 1969.

Are the machines going to be VH rego'd, heard they may not be....

With the exchange rates at the moment to pay someone $100k+ NZD is a lot better than same in aus dollars. Think more NZ pilots filling seats than aust....

i enquired and was told 2 on 2 off and co pilot pay about $59,000.

Anyone know start dates/training timelines etc?:cool:

BB's, in the same boat as you, have heard zip. I at least expected a thanks but no thanks. :{

Those that haven't heard something might hear something soon. They have been having technical problems with phones and emails. BTW last count was over 160 applications. Rumored pay for Captain position in the order of $107k.

Good news, thought there might be something wrong as their phones were always engaged. 160 applications is awesome, however I think many will withdraw with that kind of money.

I thought there was a big difference between what the guys in NZ were getting paid flying for HNZ and the HA crews.
Doesnt sounds like it, theyre both crap wages.
160 pilots for 59K and 107K, jeeze you guys no wonder you get paid less than engineers.

Wow - 59k and 107 k - how does this compare to the other offshore guys in Australia???:confused: - maybe i should stay in my VFR single a little longer!!:ok:

Any chance that the 59 and 107 are not including DTA?

So add another 15-20k tax free to the package?

Just ball park figures. Still below BH and CHC.

FBD

Perhaps so. The HA BK117 drivers at Gove are on more than 107K so fair chance you can factor in some DTA to top-up the salary for the 139 drivers. But that's just a guess.

Friendly black dog,

How do you work that out (i'm not taking the piss)

looking at the BH EBA it looks like the starting $$ for cojos is 60K

and yet I hear thats not correct? can anyone tell me the actual starting money for cojos at BH.

Thanks

Competitors' Salaries
 

Year 1 co-pilots base including IR, SDA etc :

BHA: $67K or thereabouts
Jayrow: $71K or thereabouts + ATPL($4K if you have one) + some extras
CHC: ? - EBA to be determined
HA: ?

Year 1 Captains:
BHA: $108K or thereabouts
Jayrow: $107K or thereabouts + some extras
CHC: ? EBA to be determined
HA: ?

In BHA and CHC you will get DTA(tax free) on top of this. Jayrow aren't really into touring.
These figures will be correct at 1 Nov.
You'd think HA will have to pay salaries in this vicinity. So don't sell yourselves short potential HA employees!

Where are you POHM1 when we need you?

FBD:confused:

BHA pilots at the moment are getting.
FO- $65'546
SFO- $88'886
CAPT- $104'680
For first year pay rates including allowances. The rate increases with each year of experience for all pilots by about $2'000.
There is another payrise on the 1st of Sept 08 and then on the 1st of Jan 09, then pays will be.
FO- $71'329
SFO- $96'564
CAPT- $113'298
This is all first year pay rates but it takes about 4 to 5 years to get Captaincy so add another 10'000 to that base rate.
There is also DTA on top of this which is about another $14'000 a year for touring pilots.
Roughly you won't find a captain in BHA under $122'410 base salary including allowances,then add around another $14'000 for DTA on top.

agent99,

I think you mean next pay rise 1 Jul 09. Doesn't really matter as the real issue is BHA have set the standard for rates of pay now and all others should follow. I believe Jayrow already have so it's now up to CHC and HA.

I think he means Sept 08!

P1

It's been awhile now... Anyone out there (that didn't receive a "thanks but no thanks") actually been contacted?

BB's, I have recievd an email confirming receipt of application. Have not recieved the thanks but no thanks letter.........yet!

Just heard that the pilots for this contract will not be employed by either
Helicopters (Australia) or HNZ but a new company, Helicopters New Zealand (Australia).

These new employees will be paid the same/similar as Bristow, Jayrow etc.

This begs the question what about the pay of currently employed Multi IFR captains (approx. $30-40K less) of Helicopters (Aust). I see a few tears on the horizon, for both parties.

I think a swifty is trying to be pulled..

HA can smell the Roses but haven't woken up yet.....

Ps.. Don't quit your current job until you have a letter of offer.....

Rumour I heard was the Company was going to be called Helicopters New Zealand (Offshore) So maybe a chance of all pilots being payed same base rates in NZ and Aus with touring allowance etc extra......Fak all chance of that happening!!!!:ugh:

Tax issues
 

For those from NZ beware :}Ms Clarke:} and the double taxation. Check very carefully whether you qualify for non-resident tax in NZ:=.

Double tax agreement between Australia and New Zealand

If you are a resident in both Australia and New Zealand, the double tax agreement (DTA) between these two countries states that you will be a resident of the country where a permanent home is available to you.
See New Zealand tax residency for companies and individuals (For non-residents & visitors) for further clarification.

What is the 183-day rule?
If you are in New Zealand for more than 183 days in any 12-month period, you are considered to be a New Zealand tax resident from the date of your arrival here. The 183 days do not have to be consecutive and if you are in New Zealand for only part of a day, it will be counted as being a whole day.

When are the interviews for jobs sposed to start? ANy update on the rumour of average salaries?:confused:

As previously mentioned there were 160 applications. I personally have heard in the order of 100. If this is the case, it will take some time to sort the s#it from the clay. I don't think they are under the pump, the contract does not start for a while.

Thanks Yarpa. Have you got the inside scoop on the 100 or is that just a rumour?

Cheers

6:8

I heard they employed a guy recently on the EC145 and promised him a salary that was going to be in line with the new Bristow EBA. After he had resigned from his current employer and no doubt after a bit of a reality check from HA, they called him back and told him that the salary would NOT in fact be the new one but the current salary which is less than 100k (high nineties).
It appears they will now have two completely diffent pay scales for M/E IFR drivers in the company with one lot (139 drivers) being paid about 30k more than the 145 drivers. That will be interesting especially as the 145 lads are single pilot IFR.
Those boys had better get together and form a pilot body of some kind because that sounds like a recipe for disaster.

DF

The KA MPT operation is also moving to EC 145's in the very near future. It is rumoured that this operation will be multi crew IFR sometime in the new year and surprise surprise the current wage offer is way behind the other companies :ugh:
As said before i think it is time for the HA/HNZ/HNZ Aust crews to get a pilot group together and fight for a better deal. (A bit hard i know for the 139 guys as they haven't even been employed yet?)
For all those going for the 139 jobs...dont resign until the wrtten offer has been extended...
D1

Agreed
 

I agree Dodgy1.
Look at Bristow and their much smaller rival Jayrow to see what a united, non-apathetic pilot group can achieve when they work with their management to achieve a mutually beneficial outcome. It takes work and LOTS of communication!!
CHC should have an agreement soon.
HA boys and girls sit down and have a chat together. Get organised and aim for a mutually beneficial outcome. Remember your company needs your skills/experience at the moment at least as much as you need their employment!!

Word is that HA had far more applicants with ticks in every box (including type endorsements) for the AW139 jobs than the positions available. So chances are they're probably not worried too much about any prospect of collective solidarity amongst the pilot group given the depth they have available to draw upon. But I could be wrong.

My source also tells me that the guy who is supposed to be the Ops Manager and handling EBA's there came from China Southern in WA and he made it so bad for the pilots there, they all went out on strike because of him. Not only is he not a pilot but reportedly doesn't know one end of a helicopter from the other.
Well they are off to a flying start by the sounds of it with guys like that working for them.
DF

Just like the airlines and their aircraft, helicopters are now heading in the same direction.

Have a think about how operators can make make more/any money.

Just like airlines, this game will become, if it hasn't already, just a commodity.

A useful thing like water or time. Do you want it Red/White, Blue/Red/White or White/Red/Blue.

How many people actual choose to fly with a particular airline or choose on price.

Just another service company - do you want fries with that? Get over it.

You could substitute the HA name in this thread for any other.

Another point is the "Australian factor". On a global scale oil service companies charge about 30% more to operate in Australia. It is well known. Flame away if you want but it does exist!

They already know you are a wh*re, the issue is just the price.

You still have to obtain and retain those wh#res though. If the pimps elsewhere are paying better, folks just pick up and walk, or don't knock the door to start with, so I s'pose you are correct when you say it comes down to price.....