"Was told $157. But that is with Super and DTA added as a whole package."

You can't "add" DTA to anything. It's a reimbursement for expenses.:=
Very naughty and misleading. So take out Super and DTA, $120k?

But they do it???????
 

Screwed,
I don't think they should add the super in it either as it is misleading.
Your salary is what you get paid. They are bound by law to pay 9% super and the DTA on top of that. When they offer it as a whole package it looks great. Take the two items above out and it looks very average at best.

Banger.

Does anyone know about the crews who come over from NZ and are NZ residents, will they have to pay two sets of taxes. I know that when working in Australia you will pay Aussie taxes. Thats 100% fact

Mmmmmmm ...

I believe that when working in Oz you HAVE to get a Tax File No.

Then when youv'e paid Oz tax ... and made the deductions ...you should NOT be liable for NZ tax. However I understand NZ revenue will have access to the Oz tax records.

However Kiwi's should go see a taxation specialist accountant.

Be careful ..... :E

It's pretty straightforward if you read:

New Zealand tax residency for companies and individuals (For non-residents & visitors)

:)

Well they will have to pay BOTH taxes
 

singlecut.
If they are in NZ for 183 days or more they will have to pay both taxes then?
If they work in Australia regardless who they work for they will have to pay Australian taxes. It doesn't matter that its an NZ company or they are contractors, they work in this country, they pay in this country.

Not going to be much in the ktty for the punters if both countries have their hand in the till.


Banger

They should be taxed in Australia only. Isn't there a double taxation agreement betwen NZ and Australia, same as between Australia and PNG?? The Kiwi's who work in PNG don't get taxed in NZ because they get taxed in PNG. Same rules would apply here I expect.
Are the NZ pilots on the same deal as the Australian pilots? I wonder how the economics work out because otherwise it must be more expensive touring guys from NZ than hiring Australian's here and touring from Perth.
Is it still 14/14 or are they moving to 28/28?

Tax is only paid in one place. I think you'll find thats what the dual tax agreement actually means.

However, where there is a tax paid shortfall, the difference might have to be made up. So if for instance one jurisdiction charges 25% overall, the NZ IRD will want any percetnage difference in their favour paid.

Thieving :mad:

Mmmmm ...

Also I think (?) ... that if you are not actually resident in Oz you lose out on the tax free threshold (first $6000 earned) and have to pay tax from $1 .....

...stand to be corrected on that though !!!! :uhoh:

No... quite right spinwing... you have to be a tax resident of Aus for a certain number of days to be eligible for the tax free threshold. So its tax on the full whack.

$6000 tax free for starters is not insignificant!:eek:

The financial discussion is just RIVETING...any word on the actual JOB?

All very quiet
 

I got a thanks but no thanks - have all the crew been hired? would like to hear what experience the co's were hired with / and the entry captains? Any updates on the pay and conditions in the EBA:bored:

I assume these positions have all been filled? Anybody on the forum successful/unsuccessful? How does the EBA compare to Bristow? Lots of rumours but can any forum members post any FACTUAL information?

I have applied and have NOT received a 'thanks but no thanks'...either they are being rude to me or I'm still in the 'hot' pile.

helopat .... (and others) .....

I would not be too concerned .... they are probably trying to maintain that high standard of professional excellence which dictates that ....

"no communication should take place with prospective employees until the absolute last moment lest they be able to plan their lives or know what is going on!".

Then of course they will contact you with a job offer on the condition you can start "tomorrow if not sooner!"


:E

Helopat, not too sure about the "hot" pile. I think it might be the "cold" pile, or at best the "luke warm" file by now. Interviews were held in September and AFAIK all positions have subsequently been filled. EBA supposedly similar to Bristow but subject to a confidentiality agreement, so maybe that's why nobody is posting details. That's what I heard anyway. I was after a co-pilot position but never got a response to my application so all my info is second or third hand.

Austin P ....

If what you say is correct I think it is even more unprofessional of the orginisation to not inform those who had applied to them (whether they be qualified or not) in good faith as to the status of their applications.

This "failure to communicate" seems to be the norm in Australia ATM .... IMO this gives the impression that these companies do not really consider applicants worthy of any courtesy at all .... not surprising if that attitude then is reflected back at them in the future.


:(

Hmmm.......I think there is a relationship to an NZ company here.
In my personal experience the culture of being impolite and not bothering to communicate was alive with these people as far back 1984. I have experienced it again this year from their CP who possibly wasn't old enough have been crossing the road on his own then.

It's just the way they are......big fish, but their pond is small. Perhaps you are lucky not to work for them. I know I haven't suffered from not doing so. A lot of my mates have and don't generally speak highly of it.

A buddy of mine applied there but said nothing in the world will make him take a job with them. They were so dam rude and those interviewing really knew nothing about what is happening with the industry down there.
A little too full of themselves man.

Ice

Well, it's official...positions all filled (confirmed through their HR person). I guess you're just meant to 'take a hint' when you don't hear anything for months. Sigh.

HP

arrogance and ignorance
 

From much experience with them, I think you will find it best not to expect any sort of common courtesy from the management there. MBWA (management by walking around) and 'talking' with the troops does not exist within those 'hallowed halls'. Same can be said of basic comms with prospective employees. Unless of course you have every tick in every box and come in smiling pretending you've not heard any of the rumors of bad employee relations. Then you will be greeted with open arms and so long as you say 'yes sir no sir and give 'em their three bags full', you'll be the latest golden haired boy, untill you too grow tired of the sh*t. Then you will join the long and distinguished list of good pilots who have walked away onto better things! Beware, and be happy if you've not been accepted in.

"Where there is no vision, the people will perish."

Integrity.

Don't believe the Hype!
 

Integrity's experience is very diferent to my own: I've found management to be particulary good, and the company very accommodating (and no, I'm not HA management!).

WRT the 139 positions, poor communications with applicants was probably due to a combination of LOTS of applicants (over 150 for co-pilot), one HR manager who had trouble keeping up with the workload, and workers on Perth Airport digging up a telecommunications cable that resulted in HA losing phones and internet for about 3 weeks. A lot of applicants were well in excess of minimums (I believe somewhere between 6-18 ex CHC Nigeria(?) AW139 qualified pilots applied, but don't quote me), and typical co-pilot applicants held ATPLs and well in excess of the 500 hours minimum. Accordingly successful applicants needed "a tick in every box": they were minimum equirements afterall, and given the quantity and quality of applicants I don't think it unrealistic that applications not meeting the minimums weren't processed. I agree getting information from the company in August/September was extremely difficult, but they were powerless to get the phonelines back any quicker (deemed a low priority by Telstra as they weren't an RPT operator). Mobiles were on, but you had to have a means to get the number. I do agree that not communicating with all applicants to advise them ASAP as to their competitiveness is a bit poor, but I think the company was swamped with the number of applicants and then hamstrung when they lost comms. Not an excuse, but more to the story than most appreciate.

Anyone out there who was/is considering applying to HA in the future should not be put off by Integrity's comments: his experiences are obviously very different to mine, and I couldn't recommend the company highly enough. Typically everyones experience with an employer are different, and I doubt there's an operator that hasn't had negative comments made about them at some stage on this forum.

Flapbak

Starkly variant observations from differing sides of the fence. Interesting to note however, given reports that there were so many applicants with a tick in every box, that at least one applicant was hired as a Captain who didn't have any AW139 or offshore time (and he's off to the sim to get the endorsement). But good luck to youz all, hope you'll find experiences similar to flapbak.

ZK- registered HNZ AW139 through Jeddah today on delivery.

No crew about when we left so did not know if it was for NZ or Aus

Looks very nice for you guys when you get it.:ok:

if all ticks in the boxes were fullfilled, how did tul get in?????

Flapbak,
Dunno anything about HA but your numbers are questionable
(6-18 AW139 drivers from CHC Nigeria). CHC only has 2 AW139's in Nigeria with mixed local and expat crews, so I doubt there are even 6 expats total who are qualified on the machine and AFAIK none of them are Aussies or Kiwis. I would therefore be very surprised if any of the pilots recruited by HA were 139 pilots from CHC Nigeria.

Mr Flapback
Man your comments about highly recommending a company you supposedly know nothing about says you either work there as management, or you have no idea at all about what is going on there.
Top end pilots are not supposed to walk away from an interview being made to feel like they are in a used car lot dealing with people trying to pull the wool over their eyes.
Remember, where there's smoke..............

Ice

Mark Six-
CHC Nigeria has as of about a month ago (at least) the following qualified expats in the 139 (there are 3 machines, not 2). These are just off the top of my head and the amount of time in type varies widely from just above zero to several hundred hours. All, without exception, are 5000+ hour pilots.
1 Aussie
1 Kiwi
1 Austrian
2 Canadians
1 American
1 German
2 Portuguese
1 French
1 Malaysian
1 Indian
1 Namibian
One American who is still with CHC has left Nigeria.
And of course, there are a similar number of Nigerian pilots in the 139.

Fair enough. I stand corrected.

This thread has certainly attracted polarized view of the recruiting process for this contract. I would be interested to know how many of the statements expressed here both +ve and -ve are from those who attended an interview and not " I have this mate who told me".

As one of the "high end" applicants (9000+ hours and all the ticks in the box) and who has been offered and accepted a position I can again only give my experience during the interview and subsequently.

I was more than happy with the interview and the interviewers were courteous, honest and went so far as to ask me what MY goals and ambitions were with HNZ. Whether or not they respond to those over the coming years remains to be seen but at no time did I feel like a used car salesman was bending me over the table.

I will certainly agree that their communication during the last three months has been sparse and sporadic but whenever I have contacted them with a question I have received a quick response.

I am looking forward to working for them and I hope that my initial impressions are validated.

rotorheadcase

tribal, as I said, prior assertions that everyone who was hired had a tick in every box isn't quite the whole truth. Will be interesting to see if that appointment gets past the client's aviation advisors, bearing in mind that offshore experience is stated as requirement (500 hours minimum wasn't it??)

Wrong way
 

Anyone else seen HNZ's new 139 heading back to Europe???

139 back to Europe
 

Apparently there was trouble getting clearance in Pakistan/India and it was decided it would be better to ship it to Perth from Belgium.

I did hear today that one candidate for WA has been eliminated due to no offshore experience. Think they would sort that out before the interviews...good luck to HA...

139 back to europe - will they meet the start date???
 

With the aircraft now being shipped from Belgium, will the HNZ(A) be in a position to meet the contracted commencement date as I understand there are still an number of pilots yet to be type rated? I assume the cancelled appointment of a pilot will only compound this issue.

Was that cancelled appointment the above named pilot who had no offshore time?

What happened?
 

It all went quiet just when a juicy rumour started.

Did they lose someone?

Have they replaced the person?

Etc......

Keep it come'n :ok:

Two AW139s have arrived at Perth Airport - seen there on 13 January 2009:

VH-NZF (c/n 31156) registered to Helicopters NZ Pty Ltd on 06 Jan 2009. (Less than a week old).

ZK-HUL (c/n 31146) registered to Helicopters NZ Ltd on 06 Nov 2008.


Regards,
David

Mmmmm ........

ZK-HUL is I think, the machine I saw transiting through Abu Dhabi late November/early December 08 ??

Nice .....


:E

Here's some nice photos of these two AW139s at Perth...

VH-NZF:
JetPhotos.Net Photo » VH-NZF (CN: 31154) Helicopters NZ Agusta-Westland AW-139 by KianHong

ZK-HUL (now registered VH-NZE as of 16 Jan 2009):
JetPhotos.Net Photo » ZK-HUL (CN: 31146) Helicopters NZ Agusta-Westland AW-139 by KianHong
JetPhotos.Net Photo » ZK-HUL (CN: 31146) Helicopters NZ Agusta-Westland AW-139 by Brenden
JetPhotos.Net Photo » ZK-HUL (CN: 31146) Helicopters NZ Agusta-Westland AW-139 by Brenden

Regards,
David

New EBA???
 

I heard HA have emailed all pilots due to start at KTA with a new EB asking them to vote to accept it via a secret ballot.
I heard the only main changes to the EBA is to introduce a 2 yr bond (did they forget this first time round??) and as a deal sweetener added a slight increase to life insurance. Dont think a many will jump at that...
I wonder if the 'secret ballot' will be a ploy to tell all the EB is in no matter what the guys vote. How would they know if the count is correct if it is secret?

Given that type ratings for new employees without AW139 on their licence have already been completed in Italy and that offers of employment have been made and accepted/rejected, it would appear to be a moot point.

Pilots will have been made aware of any training bond applicable before attending the course.

HNZ, Helicopters (Australia), HNZ (Australia) up to old tricks...

Same dog, different leg action.....

Still trying to give the boys a pineapple, going on past dealings I believe it..