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"The story is all so familiar in Australia. A contractor promising the problems will be resolved, the customer not prepared to admit they made a mistake trying to develop a "new" naval helicopter.
Will it all end in tears or will the the Canadian government continue to lap up Sikorsky's excuses?" ptflyer. They always have excuses, (we will learn lessons take your comments on board etc) I am fighting another manufacturer (not helicopter) regarding product that does not preform, all I get is "it meets this spec" but the firmware does not preform as per the operating expectation. Remind you of anything in the helio industry?. Most of us can not bring enough pressure to bear & when governments role over what chance do the rest have. Products should at least meet the design spec. I understand that there will be in service failure's ( why is it that the customer can find them in hours days and manufacturers not in months \ years of in depth testing) especialy with software, we get new software weekly and there are glaring problems within the first days use in 10\15% either a function does not work as industry standard or has operating glitch. Thread creep sorry, bad day & only Monday here:( |
Army Effectively Cancels Fly by Wire UH-60
Now that the Army is shelving the UH-60 fly-by-wire program how is this going to impact the Canadian 92 program?
Fly-By-Wire Black Hawk May Be Put On Hold | AVIATION WEEK I thought the Army General put on only a marginal positive spin on it. The Sultan |
Crosby said he is responding to a request from Maj. Gen. James Barclay, chief of army aviation, for more baseline M helicopters. Barclay told Crosby, “I need Black Hawks. What I read in the article is the key mistake Sikorsky made was doing too good of a job on the UH60M. The Army wants more. -- IFMU |
Further delays from Sikorsky :(
The Globe and Mail Sikorsky faces more setbacks in delivery of new helicopters Manufacturer unable to live up to revised deal signed in 2008, which would see initial delivery of 28 helicopters this year Daniel Leblanc Ottawa — From Wednesday's Globe and Mail Published on Tuesday, Feb. 16, 2010 10:39PM EST Last updated on Thursday, Feb. 18, 2010 3:27AM EST There is one more twist in the seemingly never-ending saga of the replacement of Canada's Sea King helicopters. More than a year after announcing a four-year delay in the long-running project, Sikorsky has just acknowledged that it is facing another setback in the delivery of the first of 28 aircraft. Details are scarce, but Sikorsky is saying it can't live up to the new schedule that was negotiated with Ottawa 14 months ago, and is unlikely to offer all of the promised equipment in the first round of deliveries. “Sikorsky has advised the government of Canada of potential delays, and we're working to assess the implications of these potential delays,” said Chris Hilton, a spokesman for Public Works Minister Rona Ambrose. According to the initial contract signed in 2004, the Canadian Forces were to begin receiving fully compliant Cyclone CH-148s within four years, by 2008. However, the government and Sikorsky announced at the end of 2008 that the first maritime helicopters would only come in 2010, and would not meet the full list of specifications in the contract. According to the deal, the first fully compliant helicopters would come in 2012, about eight years after the signing of the contract. In a recent report, Sikorsky's parent company, United Technologies Corp., said it has launched a new round of discussions with Ottawa regarding the delivery of the first interim helicopters, scheduled for late this year. “Sikorsky is in discussions with the Canadian government concerning an anticipated delay in completing certain elements of the specification for the interim aircraft,” said UTC's annual report to the Securities and Exchange Commission in the United States. A spokesman for Sikorsky refused to expand on its production problems. “As a matter of policy, we do not comment on discussions with customers,” Paul Jackson said. Mr. Hilton, however, said the Harper government “fully expects Sikorsky to live up to its legal obligations.” Before it awarded the $5-billion contract to Sikorsky in 2004, the government warned that it would impose as much as $36-million in penalties for late deliveries. However, in the secret deal signed in late 2008 between Ottawa and Sikorsky, the government decided not to collect any of the penalties. In fact, it agreed to pay an extra $117-million to Sikorsky to obtain “leading-edge technology.” The Conservative government of Brian Mulroney had ordered new helicopters to replace the Sea Kings in 1992, but Liberal prime minister Jean Chrétien cancelled the purchase as soon as he came to office in 1993. |
All for the want of designing the MRGB properly in the first place:ugh:
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I suspect the delays are for something other than MGB .
according to DND website number 801 an 802 are flying in West Palm Beach. "The base commander explained that the helicopter is heavier than originally expected, and as a result fuel is consumed more quickly" I would expect that the range is the biggest issue at the moment. What is the percieved threat that this machine will protect us from ? , the world has changed since the original rfp , maybe they could buy 5Billion dollars woth of Robbies and just discard them after each mission. ( Pilots could swim back to ship ) |
Shape of things to come?
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/3...west20palm.jpg
In an unprecedented business move, one of the GoM largest operators painted their S-92s in a low visibility livery and armed them with advanced weaponry to permanently dispatch the competition.:eek: This configuration is also being proposed for operations by yet another large operator around the Falkland Islands oil fields.:E |
So......I'm pretty sure that picture is not public domain.
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I guess it is now ....!
Ps: that's a busy head! |
So......I'm pretty sure that picture is not public domain.
Well she's up north for icing trials! :cool: I got several photos via facebook!
Das suite and esm! just hope it gets a descent weapon fit. :rolleyes: Awesome machine.......one day...., when I grow up......, just maybe......:ok: Pasptoo. |
And doesn't that look like a 360 radar under the aircraft - don't they know you only need a 120?:)
The B model of the S-92 is inbound with a new gearbox and aux fuel tank fit - wouldn't take much to add the radar to produce the ultimate SAR helo would it? |
360 deg radar
Not much in the way of ground clearance though! looks like 4 or 5 inches at best. Anyway wouldn't be any good for going backwards with an onshore wind as it would have a massive blind spot!!!! :ugh:
Still, wouldn't mind the job though ! Air Force going to sea with the Navy, now that IS integration. |
Looking at the Torpedo install I'm thinking -AUX Tank - with rapid fuel dump capability.:E
Could this be a way around civil customer gripes about internal aux tanks?:ok: Yeah I know it would interefere with the SS6 floats -just some "Blue sky -out of the box random thoughts." |
You can have whatever you like, but it comes at a price and that is where it doesn’t always make sense for the civil market to follow the military.
I should imagine the mounting of external aux tanks on the S-92 is pretty straightforward. However, I suspect the costs and penalties associated with not only beefing-up the sponsons and cabin structure, but LCF penalties to the dynamic components as a result of increased external load that far out and drag would result in a substantial rise in DOC’s and that I suspect is the reason for the civil S-92 having internal aux tanks. |
Signal Charlie Clear Deck????
Looks like the radar approach has missed the flight deck. Maybe there is a blind spot forward too!! :ouch:
At least landing on the jetty is within limits!! :E Still the cab looks awesome! Hope there isn't too much penalty on drag though. :ok: |
Does anyone know if the tail fold is powered ? It used to be a wonderful sight to see the sea king go through the tail and blade folding sequence. I had heard the mail blade fold was electric
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Cause we would trust your equipment after the Sub Fiasco?
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According to the latest HeliData Sikorsky expects to sell 10 H-92s to the Mexican navy next !
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Yes! We need the Mexican pesos.
What next, Colombia, Nicaragua? |
view of the ground
it's amazing how windows are obstructed by the sponsons !!
the field of view is really tight |
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