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Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 10647747)
Well, you could have tried serving your country and then had lots of expensive helicopters to choose from to fly - you pays your money and makes your choice.
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Originally Posted by Robbiee
(Post 10646370)
Most of the places I flew R22s seemed to just get rid of them at 2200 hours. I'm sure they didn't just throw them away (though who knows there certainly are enough of the little buggers around) but they did just replace them with another used (or freshly overhauled) one. Either way I never saw the same 22 twice at one school.
Now that just about anyone can buy the overhaul kit and have it ready on the shelf when the machine times out, I think it's a lot more common to keep the machine and just overhaul it as fast as you can. I suppose this depends a bit on your maintenance situation... One of the schools in our area has a single person maintenance facility... With private owners who need to be kept flying... Obviously they can't dedicate 100% of his time to an overhaul, so there is the question if you can afford to have the machine sitting there until he has the time to finish the overhaul. At the school I teach at, with over 40 aircraft ( mostly fixed wing ) they have a big enough maintenance staff they can throw 3 mechanics at the task if they want. The other obvious thing to consider is who owns the aircraft and who is paying for the overhaul. I imagine the equation is substantially different for a leaseback than for a school owned aircraft... ( assuming the school owns the maintenance department ) |
Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
(Post 10647644)
And that is the crux of every discussion on these topics.
Must be cheap, cheap, cheeeeeap (anyone else hear birdies?), because cheap = better. :} The only real downside to the Cabri is that it's useless at high density altitude. Chasing away a few punters who can't see beyond the nickels and dimes, seems like another pro to me :E If we tried to be competitive against pro track schools operating R22s we would quickly be out of business. Like it or not, the first, second, and third most important questions you get asked are "how much?". If you can't be within $25 to maybe $50/hr of the competition, you won't get that student. I realize the economics in Europe are different, and it might not be so black and white, but trying to do a pro track school here with anything except R22s is extremely difficult. More specialized training, maybe, but standard private/commercial/instrument/instructor training really requires the R22 for you to not be at a huge disadvantage. If it was just a "few punters" it would be different, but at least here it's just the opposite... A few people have the means to train in a "better" helicopter, but the majority of the potential student base is price sensitive enough that only the R22 works economically. |
In the end its the same line of ink on the same piece of pastic. You wanna pay more for it, that's between you and your wallet.
,...and maybe your psychiatrist :E |
Originally Posted by Robbiee
(Post 10647863)
In the end its the same line of ink on the same piece of pastic. You wanna pay more for it, that's between you and your wallet.
,...and maybe your psychiatrist :E |
Originally Posted by Robbiee
(Post 10647863)
In the end its the same line of ink on the same piece of pastic. You wanna pay more for it, that's between you and your wallet.
I certainly wouldn't choose my training on that basis either. It is unsustainable and corners get cut (or at best sharpened), it's great until it ends in tears. Price is how people are wired in this consumer-driven world and it is putting many a business in the toilet. |
Gee2 there's two of 'em
Why choose either these Ladies; Robust, Rugged, Reliable, Dependable, Trimmed correctly She's All Yours (sounds like an Enstrom..almost) Beautiful to look at & fun to fly. Heck in this market, why would You choose anything less :ok: & the runner up prize goes to Enstrom & the 47 (original Queen of the Sky) :cool:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9abe5198cb.jpg Bell_Ringer stated it right! There is no compromise on Value & Quality, please don't compromise Your Safety to save a few pennies, especially with Family :ooh: Do the Right thing Go G2 :D (& Go Vegan, both will save Your Life) :) |
I wouldn't choose my Doctor, Lawyer or accountant on cost. And this is why IMHO, this repetitive thread is so silly. Most people struggle to pay for their flying and cant afford anything better. The ab initio student will end up with the cheapest option, or with the first school they are recommended because they have no way of assessing quality and safety, and the more experienced will fly the best ship they can afford. Hopefully by then they will have some idea about risk and the size of the envelope. It is a free world, just. |
Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
(Post 10647956)
I wouldn't choose my Doctor, Lawyer or accountant on cost.
I certainly wouldn't choose my training on that basis either. It is unsustainable and corners get cut (or at best sharpened), it's great until it ends in tears. Price is how people are wired in this consumer-driven world and it is putting many a business in the toilet. After I became a pilot, I moved back to California to work with my father. When I looked for a place to rent a helicopter the first place I found had Schweizers, so I took one up. I was not thrilled by its performance and/or feel, so I went searching for another school to rent from. Finally I did find another place to rent from, it was an hour and a half drive (due to the insane traffic out here) but they had Robby, and as a renter I found Robby much more fun to fly! Fortunately for me the helicopter I liked better was also cheaper. I've often asked myself if Robby was more expensive would I have gone with Schweizer as a renter? I guess the answer depends on how much desposable income I had,...because I really didn't like flying Schweizer! I've never flown a G2 as no school around me has one to rent. Now if a school opened up and had a G2 and a Robby for the same price, sure I'd check out the G2, but with 511 solo hours in Robby I've developed a fondness for the little guy so I'd probably still stick with him,...or perhaps alternate between the two every other month,...if, that is, I liked flying the G2. Thing is, I have actually flown a few different fully-articulated machines and personality prefer the feel of a semi-ridged rotor, so, that's also one more point on Robby's side for me. Anyway, when I learned how to fly, I never said to myself, "I wish I was in a better helicopter". I was having too much fun flying Robby! The only schools around may have been using the cheapest option for them, but it in no way cheapened my training! I have a lot of regrets in my life, learning how to fly in an R22, then renting one for sixteen and and a half years is not one of them! |
Originally Posted by Vertical Freedom
(Post 10648033)
Why choose either these Ladies; Robust, Rugged, Reliable, Dependable, Trimmed correctly She's All Yours (sounds like an Enstrom..almost) Beautiful to look at & fun to fly. Heck in this market, why would You choose anything less :ok: & the runner up prize goes to Enstrom & the 47 (original Queen of the Sky) :cool:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9abe5198cb.jpg Bell_Ringer stated it right! There is no compromise on Value & Quality, please don't compromise Your Safety to save a few pennies, especially with Family :ooh: Do the Right thing Go G2 :D (& Go Vegan, both will save Your Life) :) This one put a huge smile on my face,...thanks! :E |
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For whom who like to Watch TV instead of outside : Garmin G500 TXi (10' Touchscreen) https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6979177a45.png |
That's the 7" display; I have the exact same one in my R44.
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Originally Posted by CGameProgrammerr
(Post 10676533)
That's the 7" display; I have the exact same one in my R44.
Can we make a deal at 8.5' ?! ;) You're absolutely right, that's the 7' ! . |
Are you still about Fluffy??
Originally Posted by fluffy5
(Post 7391320)
Well you lovers of this aircraft mark my words, in a few years time the nasty little problems will emerge due to unforeseen maintenanace issues of a new airframe on the market, and with students clanking it down on the ground, and then you will see how expensive it will be to rectify.
I will shut up for now, but I will revive this thread and laugh whole heartedly when the time comes. Just to get a few in for now .......:} :} :} Fluffy |
Originally Posted by CGameProgrammerr
(Post 10676533)
That's the 7" display; I have the exact same one in my R44.
I think that the Garmin is a 10,6" version... even though a 7" version is available. |
I was just wondering how the lockdown and virus will affect Flight Training Schools especially ones with Cabris?
Due to the extra cost of flying the Cabri, will students just disappear or will they now decide to train on the cheaper R22? Will FTOs reduce the Cabri Training rate to entice students in, will they increase the training rate to cover the lost revenue during the pandemic or will they simply get rid of the Cabri and concentrate on the R22. I’m not sure which way the training industry will go. |
Originally Posted by KNIEVEL77
(Post 10771141)
I was just wondering how the lockdown and virus will affect Flight Training Schools especially ones with Cabris?
Due to the extra cost of flying the Cabri, will students just disappear or will they now decide to train on the cheaper R22? Will FTOs reduce the Cabri Training rate to entice students in, will they increase the training rate to cover the lost revenue during the pandemic or will they simply get rid of the Cabri and concentrate on the R22. I’m not sure which way the training industry will go. Then again, helicopters have always been for for those with rich parents, GI money, and/or who qualify for heafty student loans,...so nothing may change at all? |
Then again, helicopters have always been for for those with rich parents, GI money, and/or who qualify for heafty student loans,...so nothing may change at all? |
Originally Posted by Spunk
(Post 10771575)
... and for those who were following their childhood dream, never gave up no matter what hurdle they had to take, worked hard, saved every cent they earnt in whatever job they could get their hands on and finally succeeded. ;)
,...there'd be like ten pilots in the whole world! Seriously, when I was living in my car working two jobs I still couldn't afford flight school! |
Or, serve your country, join the military and get paid to learn to fly:)
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