anonythemouse you hit the nail on the head

Just spotted a 'Spulling Mistook' above. Meant to ask "PAS" crews about the CC's. If PA crews want to offer the difference with their lot it would help as well.:)

Have just had a look at the following thread on Rotorheads:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=283273

Follow thr link and take a look; It looks like the Ozzies have an 'across the board' system similar to what I was getting at. And it allows for flexibilty!

How transparent would that be??

At PAS all T&C's are BALPA negotiated and are identical across the pilot work force. The BALPA negotiated pay scale is related to years in the company and is published for all PAS pilots to see. New pilots are not enticed in on individual, potentially devisive, deals. They used to be. That's one of the main reasons we joined BALPA.


anonythemouse: why don't you do what we did? That's the reason why nothing has happened yet!

Bertie, getting the BALPA recognition is something that could be done with aviation service providers, albeit that we are spread so thin but how would a PA crew get the PA to recognise BALPA. Is it really that simple? Join as individuals, turn up at the UEO's office one day and say, speak to BALPA for the next pay rise? Not meaning to be flippant so please don't fire back. Can't even remember if I told BALPA who I worked for when I joined, could they, without breaching Data Protection, give an idea just how many pilots in any particular company are BALPA members?

The first step is always the hardest and to stick your head above the parapit on your lonesome to shout the rallying cry is defo one hell of a hard thing to get your head around!

Your Company needs to have 21 or over employees to start off with.
Then for collective bargaining I think you need to have over 50% off the workforce in the union. This website:
ACAS
May give you a few pointers.

You'll be expected to join Unison if you become a police staff employee. It's certainly not compulsory by any means, but if negotiations are required, better the union who represent thousands of staff than a union that represent 3 or 4 pilots:ooh: And the quickest way to alienate yourself after gaining direct employment status, is to threaten your employer with unions:=

The onshore industry is fragmented, always has been and always will be. It'll never change, or if it was to change it would take a generation. Concentrate on what you can change which invariably means your little empire you work for now. Get directly employed and chip away at the machinery quietly. Educate the police in the art of aviation. If you can't or won't go for DE, then do what happened at PAS - it seems to have worked there:D

Not quite true TC, sussex have recognised BALPA as a representative body for pilots.

The hardworking highly experienced pilots in the 'front line' of UK police and HEMS units are getting shafted now even more than usual!
The reasons for the appalling payscales of UK parapublic pilots has long been discussed on this forum. Now that professional workforce is getting yet another kick in the stomach from the greedy shareholders.
All the main police/hems contracting companies are presently suffering the consequencies of their universally pathetic pay awards over the last few years.
Can they find new pilots? Can they hell!
Fresh pilots with the experience required by the customers are simply going elsewhere.
What does this mean?
1.The incumbent dedicated workforce (on low pay) has been squeezed dry.
2.Management pilots (on management pay) are running around everywhere plugging gaps in the rosters.
3. The few freelance floaters around can if they like charge what they want.(£600+)
4. Companies with corporate sectors are using those pilots (on corporate pay) to plug gaps.
5. Companies with sister offshore sectors can second those pilots (on offshore rates) to fill in on the new contracts starting in the buoyant hems market.
How about simply biting the bullet, forget your bubbly at the 'shareholders' this year and start paying the going rate?
The worm (who so far, in a most professional and dedicated way, has never considered turning) is just starting to wriggle a bit!

I don't think that joining a union should be used as a "threat" TC. At least, it shouldn't be seen in that light. I think "being part of a responsible, commercially aware organisation that has its members interests at heart" would be more appropriate.

I hope it never happens but in this litigious society, I quite like the idea of someone in London with a big fat chequebook, willing and able to fight my corner if needs be.

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[QUOTE] but with the superb qualifications from universities daddy and I have, none even come close. [QUOTE] You see, we have both been to top English universities and have economical degrees, [QUOTE]
Which one may this be ??? Must be really "economical".

[QUOTE]We also have beautiful mountain resorts with such modern facilities as cabel car, [QUOTE]
That's a new one !!!

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It seems from your post in "CHC vs Bristow" and "Helicopter Pilot's Salaries and a few other post" that it is an open invitation for applications. Could you let all Ppruners know your "toppest' salary. I just hope that the vacancies have not been filled due to a long queue.

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Cheers

Whirls

Whirlygig,

Can't be too serious here at the time ..... have to loosen up once in a while.

I am happy where i am with a good company and a great bunch of people. Almost ended up in Nigeria though.

Cheers

Excellent post onehunglow they are starting to wriggle. Most of the larger players are starting to negociate what they call pay deals:ugh:. It is time to paid for the quality and expertise we bring as professionals to the job, with the best safety record in the world.

Collectively we need to push for better PAY / LEAVE / BASE FACILITIES and stop bending over and taking it up th A*SE !!!

Paramedic earns 28k ish for working 14 days in 28 but gets 41DAYS LEAVE!
Pilot normally starts 38-41k ish working 20 days in 28 but only gets 25 Days leave, thanks for letting us work weekends and bank holidays and rewarding us for it.

Think about it guys before you sign that next pay deal and it will stop that pain in your rear!!

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Sussex ad in Flight - line pilot £48 and a bit!

The Essex job also looks a step in the right direction.

FNW

Excellent news, well done the SE consortium:D
Now I wonder who will fill the CP job....Hmmmm:rolleyes:

Getting better! :)

... and what about the recent rumour about Bond (onshore) offering an 8% rise next April?

16% over 3 years.

8%,4%,4%.

thats what we have heard.