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saffron 27th Sep 2008 08:30

Thanks for the replies guys,it will probably be in a couple of months ,I'll be in touch

outofwhack 7th Nov 2008 02:00

Thanks for all the replies on the clutch issue. I have now done 20 tacho hours (30 starts) since that clutch slip occurence and have not had a repeat.
The 600hourly gearbox inspection was done only 100 tacho hours ago so hopefully it was just a bit of stickiness.

On another subject. I recently flew an British ex-miltary helicopter pilot and then his wife and kids. Weeks later he was astonished to hear the Bell47 doesnt have a rotorspeed warning horn and indicated he wouldnt have let me fly his wife and kids if he had known. He recommends one should be fitted if possible. He flies R22s these days where I am sure they really are essential.

Is this overreaction or do 47 flyers in general think it really is a good idea to have a system fitted? Can it be done? How would it be done?

OOW

Lord Mount 7th Nov 2008 06:53

Audible MR low speed warning
 
OOW,
In my humble opinion your passenger was totally over reacting.
I would be worried about his reliance on a warning which, lets face it, could go wrong.
I have my own audible warning devices, I call them ears. My back ups are my eyes when checking the rotor speed dial.
Tune yourself into your aircraft and you will be able to tell if things like RRPM are not where they should be.

Hmmmm......Zen and the art of helicopter flying.
It could be a winner.

topendtorque 7th Nov 2008 11:11

B47's are high inertia

R22's like many others are LOW inertia.

In that situation an audio and visual cue has proven useful.

High inertia blades keep on flappin man, an' if you haven't noticed that they was slowin' down, as Lord Mount says, then you orta be in the loony bin.

I am dismayed, my ab-initio instructor was also ex Brit Army and there is absolutely no f'n way he would make that comment.

Tell that to your over stressing empiracle dogs body.

The only thing that might help on the '47 panel is a low oil pressure warning, audio or visual.

Did you notice that Frank puts his Oil Pressure gauge right where you can see it, - every time - with the quickest flick of the eye, but the '47, it is somewhere over there.

It is the only thing that keeps you alive.
cheere tet

whyisitsohard 20th Nov 2008 20:17

Looking for Bell 47 for training, UK
 
Guys, I have looked through the sticky but cant see an uptodate answer, so...

I have a f/w ATPL but fancy adding a PPL (H) to my list of ways of shedding cash. I want to learn on a Bell 47, but can't find one in the UK being used as a trainer. Does anyone know of one? My alternative is a Schweitzer 300 at Bournemouth...not quite the same!:{

david

Whirlygig 20th Nov 2008 20:27

Have you tried Alan Mann Helicopters at Fairoaks? They certainly used to do PPL(H) training in a Bell 47.

Anyway, there's nowt wrong with a Schweizer!!!

Cheers

Whirls

whyisitsohard 20th Nov 2008 20:40

Thanks for that. No, I wasnt suggesting anything wrong with the schweitzer, just that I fancied a Bell!

Thanks for the heads up..

D

helicopter-redeye 20th Nov 2008 21:09

As far as I know FAST at Thruxton and Hields at Sherburn for the 47G3. There are very few in the UK and more in the USA.

kneedwondean 20th Nov 2008 21:36

The 47 with Hields is now based at the Hawarden Base(Chester), I flew in it last week! PM if your interested in flying it, I'll put you in touch with the right people.

whyisitsohard 21st Nov 2008 07:35

Thanks all, some good leads!

D

Dragpin 21st Nov 2008 19:17

Have you thought about buying a B47? We have one coming up for sale soon, be it on the N reg, but shouldn't be a problem with DofT.

You could do your PPL(H) then hour build, have a great deal of fun then sell it if need be.

whyisitsohard 22nd Nov 2008 08:37

Dragpin, who is "we"?

D

The Nr Fairy 22nd Nov 2008 17:16

Since Mike Green left FAST 4 odd years ago, who does the B47 stuff at Thruxton ?

Darren999 23rd Nov 2008 01:48

Interested
 
I could be interested in hiring a 47 I have a a couple of thousand hrs in them. I have been teaching in them for a while...

bullshitproof 23rd Nov 2008 10:38

looking for bell 47 training uk
 
Hi I have a couple of 47s in huddersfield if thats not two far away.pm me for more.

N707ZS 17th Feb 2009 13:05

Bell 47 Project
 
Just appeared on ebay today 130288243943. Needs quite a bit of work!

bullshitproof 17th Feb 2009 13:56

Bell 47
 
BA, and the boys from the A team, would have it up and running a couple of hours !

outofwhack 21st Feb 2009 05:23

Just dont rely on Bell for spare parts. A new blade for a 47 is now US$179000.
Thats each! Up from US$42000 each in 2008

Wonder how that will affect getting insurance for a 47?

Thanks Bell !

N707ZS 21st Feb 2009 07:15

How much is a second hand bubble if you could get one, that seems to be the major missing part even for a display aircraft.

TRC 21st Feb 2009 08:47


A new blade for a 47 is now US$179000
Is that one hundred and seventy nine thousand dollars ?

That can't be right - can it?


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