Rocky, Hi. .Thanks for that, but then again so is the US!!. . :)

Ec135
 

The police deaprtment that I fly for is looking to add another aircraft to the fleet. We like the characteristics of the EC135 and would appreciate any comments from people who fly them.

Interested in how long it takes for parts to arrive, product support, doc, and any characteristics that you do not like about the aircraft would also be appreciated.

Skycop9

"Never let your education interfere with your learning"

Skycop9:

We've operated a 135 for 3 years in the police/HEMS role and love it to bits.

http://www.helionline.de/ecpoll08.jpg

If you want to know more, let me know and I'll e-mail you.

In the UK the Police have set up a EC 135 User Group who have a wealth of experience and knowledge operating this aircraft.

There is no doubt that for the UK Police Role it is the lead new type (closely followed by the MD 902) - just look at the numbers and the number of additional EC 135s to go into Police Service in the UK this year. However the best choice of machine is affected by the rules you have to operate to and the local conditions. For us the UK CAA requirements dictate twins and increasing pressure towards IFR approved - this is not necessarily the case in other more aviation friendly parts. UK police carry a lot of mission kit, pilot + 2 observers (usually) which is a heavy payload so in the UK you need a helicopter that can cope with this.

I fly it and I think it is great for police work - it has its idiosyncracies like any other type.

I too would be happy to give you more detailed thoughts if you like to contact me by email.

The EC 135 User Group is best contacted through N Wales Air Support Unit.

helinut
do you know how many ec135 are flying in uk also how many 902

no axe to grind just wondered

steve

Helinut.

I tried to e-mail you but the system will not let me send you e-mail.

What address can I e-mail you at? I can be contacted at the following e-mail address:

[email protected]

Thanks

Steve,

Just done a quick run through the ones I know of on the Uk register. I believe the numbers are something like this:

Police/EMS/AOC/Private
CURRENT NEW SOON
EC135 7/2+/1/2 4/Some/?/1+
902 4/2/?/? 1?/??/?/?

As you can see my knowledge of the 902s is less complete than 135. Bond have an order book for EMS aircraft but I do not know when delivery is due. I have probably missed some too.

Anybody who wants to know excatly could spend some money with the CAA register.

http://www.alea.org/pan/pan_feb_02.pdf

See page 14 for tail numbers and hrs for Md900 Uk fleet.

Willl add EC135 figures when I find em.

Acc to Landings database( maybe out of date ) 13 ec135 on UK register 1 reg to Eurocopter and one to Harrods , all other Law or EMS

Just for info there are 10 MD 902s in use by the Emergency Services in UK.
5 are dedicated police units, 2 are joint Police / HEMS units and 3 are dedicated HEMS units. As far as I know there are no firm orders for any more at this stage but possibly 1 police and 2 HEMS units are very keen to purchase.
The biggest problem is the price difference between the 135 and the 902 as they are both good aircraft.
:)

Super Quiet EC135 for Lancashire Police
 

I read of late that our local Bears in the Air are soon(November) to have a brand new EC 135, based at Warton, described in the local rag as super quiet this will enable the Air born brigade to creep up on all the bad guys, will it be so quiet, and if it is will we no longer hear the blade slap of the old twin Sqirrel, as they make there way across our local ghetto's, will it carry more weight, or go faster, and really does our local Constabulary need to spend £3.5m on a new chariot such as this, when the old(?) Squirrel still has a lot of life left in it! Will this be value for money, or just keeping up with the race to have super dooper kit ?

If our local Chief of police has this sort of spend power, why not offer the old Sqirrel to the Blackpool Air Ambulance, who's sponsorship with the AA ends this month, after all, it is money provided from the public purse.

I think you'll find that an important part of the deal is that the old Squirrel goes in part exchange!;)

Yes there is plenty of life in the old machine [it is quite a youth when compared with the Chiltern AS355F1 that was sold on May 1] but like all the older generation aircraft it is gasping to carry the role load. In addition it is now also covering Cumbria [shared with North East] so the speed and additional range will make their interventions more meaningful.

Come back in five years and we can probably discuss the delivery of the first police EC145 [or even a Merlin!] .... it is only a matter of time before the EC135 is also gasping to carry the ever increasing load.

As for 'super quiet' ...... we are talking about a helicopter arn't we ...?

HAZARD :eek: HAZARD :eek: HAZARD :eek: HAZARD :eek: HAZARD :eek: HAZARD :eek:

Will somebody please warn them that Flying Lawyer's "Police Pilot" client is unfortunately still on the loose, and will probably be paying them a visit when it arrives!!!

The following are all in the public domain:- it's £2.9m not £3.5m; one third of that comes from the sale of the old aircraft and one third as a grant from the UK Home Office. Of the remainder, half is a saving in reduced scheduled maintenance/warrantied items/relief aircraft rental etc so the force only has to find one sixth of the acquisition cost. All this was thrashed out at the relevant police authority approval for purchase.

It's not really for me to comment on the question of two emergency services aircraft separately funded and based just a few miles apart....

VFR; why not speak to your jolly friendly local air support unit?

droopy
£966,666 for your second hand 355 seems a bit high is that correct the others that have been sold circa £300,000

any way marvelous news hope you all enjoy it and it gives good service keep chasing the twokers and robbers
steve

md600,

The Lancs machine is a teenage AS355N (relatively speaking); most of the other AS355s being replaced are 355Fs with Zimmer Frames and worth much less on the secondhand market.

Thank you indeed for all your replies, as ever well worth the read, however I do feel that £1.00m seems an awful lot of bread for a well used although still youngish Squirril,

Droopy , I have in the past contacted the ASU at Warton, but seemed to get the "Thanks, but no thanks" sort of reply from them in responce to my questions,... but Merseyside are a much friendlier crew and invited me to visit which I did, along with the West Midlands ASU ( who also have some nice Tie tacks), I live in hope of a vistit to Warton, but despite several phone calls over the past 2 years I am still waiting for any sort of a reply!!

They probably dont like amateur flyers.


:(

VFR; email me, you'll be surprised what can be done when you speak to the right person.;)

As someone who's already in the process of organising a trip to Warton, thanks to a certain kind PPRuNer, I'm happy to arrange to include you as well if you like, VFR. ("Its not what you know, etc"...)

Due to holidays etc., it'll be a saturday morning sometime in July.

If anyone else is interested, just email me.

I'll confirm with 'our friend in the know' maximum numbers allowed - and allocate places on a 'first come first served' basis - getting there will be the individuals responsibility.

When's that new 'copter being delivered did you say... :D :D

Might also be a good excuse to get a few rotorheads together 'on the lash' in the evening - we could take in the Blackpool sights - like the new "Funny Girls" venue...!!

[edited to suggest a p!ss-up].

EC-135 "Avionique Nouvelle" cockpit info
 

Im planing to built Helo-simulator at my home and after realy long time of thinking wich helicopter cockpit should i use for simulator. i decidet to do EC-135(its ergonomic,well designed,and it cost me less for building it:)
but here comes a problem,i dont have any dimentions,i only have pics from net. So i'm asking you if you have any exra pics,of EC-135 cockpit,or tech publicatons with dimensions for it.
thank you for your effort.

PETER

http://www.thales-avionics.com/jrun_...dco/index1.jsp

Try here there are PDF data sheets for the major display elements ( currently unavailable for some reason).


http://www.thales-avionics.com/jrun_.../vemd_qxd1.pdf

Here has dimms of VEMD


Neil

Thanks
 

thaNK YOU!

Ec135
 

Hi folks

what does ARIS stand for?

cheers
FL

active rotor isolation system ?


anti resonance isolation system is official version.

Eurocopter ships 250th EC 135
 

Eurocopter Press Release

http://www.eurocopter.com/nws/img/img00193.jpg

Eurocopter has handed over its 250th EC 135 to the Spanish helicopter operator CoyotAir. Spain is a major growth market in Europe. CoyotAir, which already operates seven Eurocopter helicopters, will use this EC 135 as an emergency rescue helicopter.
The EC 135 one of the most widely used primary rescue helicopters provides room for up to four crewmembers, a swivel seat for the accompanying physician and up to two patients on stretchers.
Eurocopter, the world's largest helicopter manufacturer, is a wholly-owned subsidiary of EADS whose leading brands include Airbus and is also the biggest partner in the Eurofighter consortium.

MD600 driver: eat your heart out:D :p :D

How many MD600's out there?

TC - an independent answer for you on MD600s.....

- highest MSN registered by MD = #67
- highest MSN verified delivery by MD = #58 in May 2001

Of these, 11 are in the UK (including one no longer active ie written off). And of these 11, at least two are for sale, one due to death of owner, one due to high increases in charges and hassle at a certain London heliport, previously a frequent destination for the owner.

So this suggests #59 to #67 are "white tails" at the factory - I have just checked and confirm all are registered in MD's name. I note that #59 is on the FAA register as a 2000 build.

Didn't they just win the contract to supply DEA several per year for up to 5 years ?

http://www.mdhelicopters.com/News/_C...20Explorer.htm

But I am talking of MD902 not MD600 , Oh no not another single vs twin debate tee hee.

Descrepancies in s/ns may be due to the fact there are about 10 600s presently being kitted at the factory for delivery to the Turkish Police next year.

That DEA contract is unclear but is currently seen as a lease of UP TO nine aircraft for UP TO five years.

MD have not queried that interpretation, not have they announced clarification of certain other deliveries that have been lost in the gloom like that Turkish 600 contract.

PANews, I think it is a purchase, not a lease, and there is no limit on aircraft numbers.


What do you mean by this?

Beware the MD smokescreen!
 

MD select the words in their press releases very carefully to make you think that the truth is rosier than it is......

* Case 1 - DEA - if they had made a sale, they wouldn't use the words "has selected" instead of "has placed an order for" , Then, it clearly states "a base year and four one-year options" - noone buys on that basis. Notar Fan - there is only one conclusion, it has to be a lease.

* Case 2 - they put out a press release for "Serial Number 100 MD Explorer". Fine, but it was merely serial number 100, not the 100th off the line! They have smoke-screened again because serial numbers 1,3,4,5,6,7 and 9 were ground test rigs, and ships 48 to 51 never existed!!! So the flag waving #100 was actually the 89th off the line, and they still haven't produced the 100th ship (the Chinese one they put out a PR on yesterday is #109 ie the 98th).

* Case 3 - In Feb 2001, they put out a press release to say that the Dutch Police have bought 8 Explorers and the first two will be delivered November 2001. In May 2002 another release follows to say the first two "heavily equipped" Explorers will be delivered in June 2002. Check when (or if...) these became operational...

Just how long have they been talking about a Turkish MD600N order....? Is it for real?

ppheli,

Case 1: I can't provide you proof, but it is a sale, of that I am sure. MD were burned on one goverment lease already.


Case 2: No arguments here, you are 100% correct.

Case 3: The Dutch Police aircraft program is optimistic to say the least. Engineering, configuration issues. I hear they did give the Dutch 2 loaner aircraft. As of today, no deliveries.

I think MD do get a little ahead of themselves with their press releases, especially when dealing with goverment sales, there can be all kinds of hiccups. The Turkish 600s are licensed and are being kitted.

Hmm, that's made me think/research further. That Chinese one is #109 and six of the eight Dutch ones are serial numbers earlier than that ie #86, 87, 94, 95, 103 and 104 (the other two will be 111, 112), so the Chinese delivery is not the 98th but the 92nd...... That's not to stop other earlier numbers not having reached the stage of being delivered... The "delivered" figure may be back in the 80s...

Yes, the Dutch guys do have a couple of loan N-reg Explorers, #41 and #42

Perhaps MD have accountants for sales directors:)

Can I ask:
Are we talking about the 900 series ships?
Are we talking about the Holland MD that bought the 900 line off MD Mesa?

Thanks.

TC, the truth be told I think MD's problem is the other way round, they have sales directors for accountants (or business managers). But I won't get into that.
Yes, we are talking about the MD900. I think MD is a subsidary of RDM holdings, a Dutch company.

EC-135 Variants
 

Hi

What is the difference between an EC-135T1 and T2? Is it just a different engine or something else?

Ta

http://www.turbomeca.com/public/en/s...=arrius&w=home

Arius 2b2 engine gives better OEI performance as I recall.
ALso P2 version with inproved P and W 's.

Who stole the EC135 Fuel pump thread?
 

Was just recovering from the shock of the amount poor understanding by some............. and now it's gone!!