CHC OZ the preferred tenderer for RAAF SAR
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CHC OZ the preferred tenderer for RAAF SAR
I can't believe that there has been no mention yet (even given my hint in another post) so here goes. CHC Australia is the preferred tenderer for the RAAF SAR contract. Haven't got all the details yet but it looks like a 10 year contract with 2x2year options. That's 14 years all up, if they keep their noses clean. It will involve 7-8 helos depending on the load. Congrats to all the crews. You know where to go for those loans!
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Mmmmm, I know you and that is misleading.
Unless you are related to Mr Hill [which I doudt]........then you are out of line.
However CHC Oz. Do win many contracts by default......
Being 100% owned by Canadians [yes 100%, Zero Oz ownership] ....if Hill gives this contract away......he will indeed be unemployed.
I heard that the Oz Army were interested........now that would save the $$$ going to Canada.
Unless you are related to Mr Hill [which I doudt]........then you are out of line.
However CHC Oz. Do win many contracts by default......
Being 100% owned by Canadians [yes 100%, Zero Oz ownership] ....if Hill gives this contract away......he will indeed be unemployed.
I heard that the Oz Army were interested........now that would save the $$$ going to Canada.
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Yeah, traded on NYSE, ticker name FLI, havn't being doing to badly since April by the looks of the charts.
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I don't know you so feel free to send me a private message and tell me if you like. You might also explain why my post was "misleading" and "out of line", is it just because you don't like the news? This is the "rumour network" after all. You could also tell me if my post was more or less out of line that you unsubstantiated (and rather vulgar) allegation of fuel misappropriation.
I didn't say that they had won the contract (but I'm sure they will) I said they were the preferred tenderer. As far as you "hearing", or was it "making up", that the Oz Army is interested, well maybe they should have put a tender in! No disrespect to the Army, but they are heavily commited at the moment without having to allocate crews and machines to RAAF SAR. The cost civies doing RAAF SAR is about 1/3 the cost of the military doing it themselves, so how much will we save?
You go ahead and continue your CHC bashing if you like, I'm just happy for the crews, aren't you???
I don't know you so feel free to send me a private message and tell me if you like. You might also explain why my post was "misleading" and "out of line", is it just because you don't like the news? This is the "rumour network" after all. You could also tell me if my post was more or less out of line that you unsubstantiated (and rather vulgar) allegation of fuel misappropriation.
I didn't say that they had won the contract (but I'm sure they will) I said they were the preferred tenderer. As far as you "hearing", or was it "making up", that the Oz Army is interested, well maybe they should have put a tender in! No disrespect to the Army, but they are heavily commited at the moment without having to allocate crews and machines to RAAF SAR. The cost civies doing RAAF SAR is about 1/3 the cost of the military doing it themselves, so how much will we save?
You go ahead and continue your CHC bashing if you like, I'm just happy for the crews, aren't you???
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You would expect CHC to win this contract by default, sometimes it very hard to compete against what appears to be a monopoly.
The Trotter will be rolling around his now safe mire, dreaming of all the profit. Maybe now he should settle the CHC Pilots EBA and give them some crumbs from the shareholders ever bulging purse.
The Trotter will be rolling around his now safe mire, dreaming of all the profit. Maybe now he should settle the CHC Pilots EBA and give them some crumbs from the shareholders ever bulging purse.
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To High Nr and all the other CHC knockers out there..
So what if CHC is foreign owned? What about the fact it still employs the 250 plus people who worked for Lloyd Helicopters. The only change has been the name and logo on the flight suit! Every single person in the company and in head office in Adelaide are 100% Australian. The Cannucks leave them alone to do the job and do not interfere.
As for the Army being interested in the contract, who told you that, some guy down the pub?? The Army have no interest in the SAR contract, the only relationship they have with SAR for the RAAF is the Combat SAR role that the SF Squadron hold during wartime. How would getting the Army to hold SAR save money?? Buying more US$18 million Blackhawks to service the contract is saving money?? The Army have trouble filling aircrew and maintainence positions as it is. 5th Aviation Regiment is the 2nd busiest unit in the ADF. You need to stop listening to your drinking mates down the pub and get the facts.
And no, there wasn't any serious local competition, as not many operators here can find (and afford) seven auto-hover S-76 helicopters plus crews.
Why should the Defence Minister lose his job because he awarded a defence contract to a foreign owned company? Wake up dreamer, most defence contracts are to foreign companies, it's not a new concept!
And yes, KelpieX, the powers that be have no more excuses with the pilot eba now! Also the upcoming crewman eba is looking good
Yes Trimpot, your facts are correct, aircraft at their current bases will remain the same, except for Tindal will get an auto-hover machine to replace their plain vanilla machine. Aircraft types will stay the same, they want more spare aircraft for deployments though. ARDU will get a machine for three months a year for deployments to Woomera. Yes you are right about contract length, 10 years plus 2x2 year options..
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Trimpot - Preferred tenderer indeed!
High Nr - You have no idea... Quote "However CHC Oz. Do win many contracts by default......" Unquote. Can you name any!
winchop - Seven Auto-Hovers? Really? where did you pick up that bit of intel from?
High Nr - You have no idea... Quote "However CHC Oz. Do win many contracts by default......" Unquote. Can you name any!
winchop - Seven Auto-Hovers? Really? where did you pick up that bit of intel from?
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There are at least three creditable players in the RAAF SAR Contract, all with sufficient resources to invest the necessary capital.
If you are close to this industry, they are all very identifiable.
And the crews??? they will desert CHC, as did they desert the NSCA when they crashed, so there is no great shortage of skill levels.
In any case the new aircraft manufactures all have nice simulators to train new crews onto their new machines, so there is no protection in anyone thinking that existing crews are weighted against the $$$ of any contract.
I have heard this around the traps, and when you think about it, it makes one think.
What do RAAF SAR aircraft do?. Considering that its been years, maybe 10??? since someone actually actively "saved" an ejected RAAF pilot. Great, at around AUS$10,000,000 / year thats some service.
The comment about the Army guys was tongue in cheek, however the Civil SAR Guys could be called to any [one every 10 years] RAAF emergency, just like the Civil SAR/EMS respond to every other Australian Emergency.
Sooner or later some polly has to ask that question.
By the way, one of those three contenders [maybe more than three] is an Australian Company.
If you are close to this industry, they are all very identifiable.
And the crews??? they will desert CHC, as did they desert the NSCA when they crashed, so there is no great shortage of skill levels.
In any case the new aircraft manufactures all have nice simulators to train new crews onto their new machines, so there is no protection in anyone thinking that existing crews are weighted against the $$$ of any contract.
I have heard this around the traps, and when you think about it, it makes one think.
What do RAAF SAR aircraft do?. Considering that its been years, maybe 10??? since someone actually actively "saved" an ejected RAAF pilot. Great, at around AUS$10,000,000 / year thats some service.
The comment about the Army guys was tongue in cheek, however the Civil SAR Guys could be called to any [one every 10 years] RAAF emergency, just like the Civil SAR/EMS respond to every other Australian Emergency.
Sooner or later some polly has to ask that question.
By the way, one of those three contenders [maybe more than three] is an Australian Company.
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Interesting points raised by both Clearance and Trimpot, who, trust me, are "in the know"!!
Rereading the RAAF tender, no specific number of helicopters are called for, just the requirement for 95% availability and 5 mins to launch at the 4 RAAF bases at East Sale, Williamtown, Tindal and Pearce with ad hoc requests for ops up to 6 weeks per year for 4 deployments at Edinburgh and Woomera. As already stated, it is for 10 years with 2+2 years extension options.
Although Lloyds/CHC have done this since the council folded in 1989, surely with such a lucrative contract there must be other all Aussie companies capable of responding?
Rereading the RAAF tender, no specific number of helicopters are called for, just the requirement for 95% availability and 5 mins to launch at the 4 RAAF bases at East Sale, Williamtown, Tindal and Pearce with ad hoc requests for ops up to 6 weeks per year for 4 deployments at Edinburgh and Woomera. As already stated, it is for 10 years with 2+2 years extension options.
Although Lloyds/CHC have done this since the council folded in 1989, surely with such a lucrative contract there must be other all Aussie companies capable of responding?
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My mistake, not seven auto-hover machines total, seven machines total. One extra auto-hover machine and one extra deployment machine to cover extra trips away including the extra SA commitments. Yes, the contract didn't stipulate seven a/c, that was what was worked out to be the number required to meet all the commitments.
If High Nr read a newspaper once in awhile, he would know that there have been quite a few military pilot rescues in the last 10 years. One not long ago when a RNZAF Skyhawk pilot punched out 90 nm off the WA coast. No civilian EMS aircraft existed in WA that could have done the job. The auto-hover machines also conduct many AUSsar tasks, such as overwater night winch rescues that can't be done by any other helo outside the military in this country. You can't tell me the Australian taxpayer doesn't get their money's worth!
Also, you can't expect civilan EMS helos to be available the moment you need one for when I pilot does eject. They are invariably busy on other tasks. Also, a lot of military flying is conducted in locations far away from EMS helo territory, eg. Tindal.
As for crews 'deserting' CHC, the word you were really looking for was 'redundancy'.
In the end, it doesn't matter what company wins or loses the contract, or what company is Australian or foreign owned. What does matter is the fact that all the SAR crews on this contract are Aussies, with Aussie families!
...Well, the odd one might have a pommy wife....
If High Nr read a newspaper once in awhile, he would know that there have been quite a few military pilot rescues in the last 10 years. One not long ago when a RNZAF Skyhawk pilot punched out 90 nm off the WA coast. No civilian EMS aircraft existed in WA that could have done the job. The auto-hover machines also conduct many AUSsar tasks, such as overwater night winch rescues that can't be done by any other helo outside the military in this country. You can't tell me the Australian taxpayer doesn't get their money's worth!
Also, you can't expect civilan EMS helos to be available the moment you need one for when I pilot does eject. They are invariably busy on other tasks. Also, a lot of military flying is conducted in locations far away from EMS helo territory, eg. Tindal.
As for crews 'deserting' CHC, the word you were really looking for was 'redundancy'.
In the end, it doesn't matter what company wins or loses the contract, or what company is Australian or foreign owned. What does matter is the fact that all the SAR crews on this contract are Aussies, with Aussie families!
...Well, the odd one might have a pommy wife....
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A few points...
Too Cloudy - The Vic Police contract was initially won by someone else. Unfortunatly or fortunatly depending on you point of view they could not come up with the goods for the price they had tendered at. The contract then fell to CHC who could (and did) supply the machinery for the price they tendered at.
High Nr - there are many incorrect statements in you posts but I will focus on one in particular. The crews that left the NSCA did not do so by choice, they left because they had no choice! In fact all of the people I know who are ex-NSCA (and there are quite a few as I am ex-NSCA myself) would be still working there if they could. As for the crews departing CHC, I think that you might find that people will be fighting tooth and nail to stay if, and it's a very big if, CHC don't win the RAAF SAR contract. Most of the crews are high on the seniority list and will hardly want to start with a new company on the bottom of the list.
Too Cloudy - The Vic Police contract was initially won by someone else. Unfortunatly or fortunatly depending on you point of view they could not come up with the goods for the price they had tendered at. The contract then fell to CHC who could (and did) supply the machinery for the price they tendered at.
High Nr - there are many incorrect statements in you posts but I will focus on one in particular. The crews that left the NSCA did not do so by choice, they left because they had no choice! In fact all of the people I know who are ex-NSCA (and there are quite a few as I am ex-NSCA myself) would be still working there if they could. As for the crews departing CHC, I think that you might find that people will be fighting tooth and nail to stay if, and it's a very big if, CHC don't win the RAAF SAR contract. Most of the crews are high on the seniority list and will hardly want to start with a new company on the bottom of the list.
So!
10yrs times 180hrs flying a year which is 50/50 shared with the cojoe = 900hrs hands on after 10yrs.
Less the straight and level which usually exceeds 50% of the flying and may be done couples to the sperry = 450hrs
Less the couple of calls in 10yrs that the doppler handles = 449hrs
Less the training for the couple of calls = 400hrs
Less the IFR and NVFR training on autopilot = 350hrs.
Have I forgotten any?
350hrs hands on (being rather liberal eh!) for one decades work....
Sounds cushy! where do I sign up
....aahhh... come on mates .... just having a giggle
10yrs times 180hrs flying a year which is 50/50 shared with the cojoe = 900hrs hands on after 10yrs.
Less the straight and level which usually exceeds 50% of the flying and may be done couples to the sperry = 450hrs
Less the couple of calls in 10yrs that the doppler handles = 449hrs
Less the training for the couple of calls = 400hrs
Less the IFR and NVFR training on autopilot = 350hrs.
Have I forgotten any?
350hrs hands on (being rather liberal eh!) for one decades work....
Sounds cushy! where do I sign up
....aahhh... come on mates .... just having a giggle