Taking risks when you don't have to - Single engine
TC. What about the bit in the Eurocopter EC135 emergency checklist concerning a 'BAT TEMP' caption and gong.
IN FLIGHT
1. BAT MSTR sw OFF
2. LAND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
after landing:
3. Engines Leave running in idle
4. Collective lever and cyclic stick Lock
NOTE Continue flight only if visual inspection reveals no indication
of battery overheating etc.
It does seem to suggest they consider it reasonably safe to leave the controls unattended for a short period of time.
TeeS
IN FLIGHT
1. BAT MSTR sw OFF
2. LAND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
after landing:
3. Engines Leave running in idle
4. Collective lever and cyclic stick Lock
NOTE Continue flight only if visual inspection reveals no indication
of battery overheating etc.
It does seem to suggest they consider it reasonably safe to leave the controls unattended for a short period of time.
TeeS
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 166
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Datcon (or are you really Hoverman in disguise?)
Thanks for the comprehensive but largely incorrect CV updates.
The point of my posting was not to impress anybody with my wonderful, well rounded aviator's CV, but in reponse to Hoverman's posting which basically patted me on the head and said "well Steve is a solid enough pilot, but he hasnt enough experience to comment on these major safety issues like whether or not it's safe to leave a helicopter unattended with the blades running or hot refuel an R22... because hes only ever worked from one place and has had an even more limited flying experience than most of us"
In his wisdom he said two things which he knew for a FACT (as usual) :
(1) That I had always worked at the same place.
If I had worked at only one other place for five minutes, that first statement would have been incorrect, now wouldn't it? In fact I gave a list of 7 additional places I have worked, as a pilot for 6 of them. But as usual people like you will only see what you want to see. The only non-flying post was at FAST HELICOPTERS - I worked as Operations Manager because my legs weren't good enough to do the secretarial work. So that's that sorted, hopefully.
(2) Limited experience.
If I had say 10,000 hrs flying to the rigs off Aberdeen, would that make me a better / more experienced airman? Hoverman may have been talking helicopters or he may not. (In fact he said limited FLYING experience) I was talking aviation experience. Hence the inclusion of the references to fixed-wing operations, Ops. Manager work, Heliport Manager and the rest. I dont recall saying I had a fixed-wing licence, by the way. But if you think Tommy, Steve, Richard, Miles and the rest spent 6 + hours at the controls of G-PLANK, then you weren't there...
"Sorry to break it to you Stevie, but pleasure flying and safety pilot stuff for owners is what new CPLs do to build hours"
Dont know what this fixation with pleasure flying is. I do an organised pleasure flying day once a month, perhaps twice in the summer if demand warrants it. And just for the record, I did around 50 hours p/f in the last 12 months out of a total of 250 hours. Not really a major proportion is it?
Whats so terrible about it anyway? This is a one pilot operation, are you saying I should turn down pleasure flying taskings just because you consider it "not worthy" I'll just pop in and tell the boss not to expect that £35,000 income again this year, because DATCON has deemed it demeaning for me. Its called paying the wages, buddy. And if you were ever unfortunate enough to have had to suffer the indignity of pleasure flying, then you'll know that getting 50 gallons of Jet and the four members of the Tubby family off the ground in a 17,000hr B206 on a blustery, windswept field in the middle of nowhere is a tad more stressful than cruising around the airways in a nice corporate 76. (dont get involved you S76 guys, it was only an illustration....)
What now....ah yes the HELI-JET International Group. Do you mean the HELI-LIFT GROUP by any chance? Take the time to visit the website before you comment. And just in case you still need any help understanding the concept, if you have five companies its called a "GROUP". If you have bases and operations in three different continents, its called an "INTERNATIONAL GROUP" whether you like it or not. Not too complex, is it?
"Helijet hasnt even got an AOC". And your point is???
And I'm sure there was something else.....ah yes.
"Helicopter Services!!!! Steve - in case you've forgotten, that's your own company name for billing to look like self-employed for tax!"
Oh dear, oh dear. Where DO you get your facts from? No I havent forgotten what my company name is. In fact its Helicopter Support Services, and nothing to do with Helicopter Services at all, who I am sure would be disappointed that one so wise and knowledgeable as you dont know they exist. Buy hey, as I say, dont let the facts spoil a good story, eh?
And finally, if you think I'm doing anything "iffy" then you know where the CAA live, dont you?
Thank you for your time. I now consider the discussion about my CV, career, employer, shoe size etc as closed, as I have to go off and build some more P1 time pleasure flying.
ST
Thanks for the comprehensive but largely incorrect CV updates.
The point of my posting was not to impress anybody with my wonderful, well rounded aviator's CV, but in reponse to Hoverman's posting which basically patted me on the head and said "well Steve is a solid enough pilot, but he hasnt enough experience to comment on these major safety issues like whether or not it's safe to leave a helicopter unattended with the blades running or hot refuel an R22... because hes only ever worked from one place and has had an even more limited flying experience than most of us"
In his wisdom he said two things which he knew for a FACT (as usual) :
(1) That I had always worked at the same place.
If I had worked at only one other place for five minutes, that first statement would have been incorrect, now wouldn't it? In fact I gave a list of 7 additional places I have worked, as a pilot for 6 of them. But as usual people like you will only see what you want to see. The only non-flying post was at FAST HELICOPTERS - I worked as Operations Manager because my legs weren't good enough to do the secretarial work. So that's that sorted, hopefully.
(2) Limited experience.
If I had say 10,000 hrs flying to the rigs off Aberdeen, would that make me a better / more experienced airman? Hoverman may have been talking helicopters or he may not. (In fact he said limited FLYING experience) I was talking aviation experience. Hence the inclusion of the references to fixed-wing operations, Ops. Manager work, Heliport Manager and the rest. I dont recall saying I had a fixed-wing licence, by the way. But if you think Tommy, Steve, Richard, Miles and the rest spent 6 + hours at the controls of G-PLANK, then you weren't there...
"Sorry to break it to you Stevie, but pleasure flying and safety pilot stuff for owners is what new CPLs do to build hours"
Dont know what this fixation with pleasure flying is. I do an organised pleasure flying day once a month, perhaps twice in the summer if demand warrants it. And just for the record, I did around 50 hours p/f in the last 12 months out of a total of 250 hours. Not really a major proportion is it?
Whats so terrible about it anyway? This is a one pilot operation, are you saying I should turn down pleasure flying taskings just because you consider it "not worthy" I'll just pop in and tell the boss not to expect that £35,000 income again this year, because DATCON has deemed it demeaning for me. Its called paying the wages, buddy. And if you were ever unfortunate enough to have had to suffer the indignity of pleasure flying, then you'll know that getting 50 gallons of Jet and the four members of the Tubby family off the ground in a 17,000hr B206 on a blustery, windswept field in the middle of nowhere is a tad more stressful than cruising around the airways in a nice corporate 76. (dont get involved you S76 guys, it was only an illustration....)
What now....ah yes the HELI-JET International Group. Do you mean the HELI-LIFT GROUP by any chance? Take the time to visit the website before you comment. And just in case you still need any help understanding the concept, if you have five companies its called a "GROUP". If you have bases and operations in three different continents, its called an "INTERNATIONAL GROUP" whether you like it or not. Not too complex, is it?
"Helijet hasnt even got an AOC". And your point is???
And I'm sure there was something else.....ah yes.
"Helicopter Services!!!! Steve - in case you've forgotten, that's your own company name for billing to look like self-employed for tax!"
Oh dear, oh dear. Where DO you get your facts from? No I havent forgotten what my company name is. In fact its Helicopter Support Services, and nothing to do with Helicopter Services at all, who I am sure would be disappointed that one so wise and knowledgeable as you dont know they exist. Buy hey, as I say, dont let the facts spoil a good story, eh?
And finally, if you think I'm doing anything "iffy" then you know where the CAA live, dont you?
Thank you for your time. I now consider the discussion about my CV, career, employer, shoe size etc as closed, as I have to go off and build some more P1 time pleasure flying.
ST
