New Zealand - Training Schools and Job Prospects
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Now here's a funny sorry,
I looked at converting NZ CPL(H) to AUS CPL (H) last year under the TTMA due to a possable job in the land of Aus. Book a time at the Australian Embassey in Wellington and was told too provide my logs books (times 3) passport and NZ licences.
I arrived at the agreed time of 14:00hrs filled out the paper work and was told they requied photo copies of my log books (now here is the fuuny bit) every page at a fee of $35per page in addition to the other fees.........yes I kid you not $35 per page and I had 3 log books...........you guess it I told them to get f**Ked
4 weeks later at the CASA office in Bankstown they charge me $120Aus to do the samething and only required a copy of the last page of each log book and copies of my type ratings.
Work that one out..............
I looked at converting NZ CPL(H) to AUS CPL (H) last year under the TTMA due to a possable job in the land of Aus. Book a time at the Australian Embassey in Wellington and was told too provide my logs books (times 3) passport and NZ licences.
I arrived at the agreed time of 14:00hrs filled out the paper work and was told they requied photo copies of my log books (now here is the fuuny bit) every page at a fee of $35per page in addition to the other fees.........yes I kid you not $35 per page and I had 3 log books...........you guess it I told them to get f**Ked
4 weeks later at the CASA office in Bankstown they charge me $120Aus to do the samething and only required a copy of the last page of each log book and copies of my type ratings.
Work that one out..............
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Big Beres,
You say that the Ausies require a photocopy of your logbooks, but when I looked into getting a Kiwi licence they said that only the real thing would do. Now thats a long time to be without my logbook cos I use it on a daily basis in UK. Any info on this
You say that the Ausies require a photocopy of your logbooks, but when I looked into getting a Kiwi licence they said that only the real thing would do. Now thats a long time to be without my logbook cos I use it on a daily basis in UK. Any info on this
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At Bankstown they sited my logbooks and photo copied the pages they need . They didn't need to keep the log books
The Australian Embassy in Wellington , New Zealand were going to charge me $35 per page in my log book................
At Bankstown they sited my logbooks and photo copied the pages they need . They didn't need to keep the log books
The Australian Embassy in Wellington , New Zealand were going to charge me $35 per page in my log book................
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Big beres,
seems like the left hand does not know the right exists, and people like us are left to find out for ourselves.
Just been on the CAA web site and was given some great advice about medicals and j even passed on my e-mail to the licencing dept for info, so things are begining to look up.
Maybe one of these days I will get a licence and get working, or would i be better off getting an Ausi licence first and then convert.
seems like the left hand does not know the right exists, and people like us are left to find out for ourselves.
Just been on the CAA web site and was given some great advice about medicals and j even passed on my e-mail to the licencing dept for info, so things are begining to look up.
Maybe one of these days I will get a licence and get working, or would i be better off getting an Ausi licence first and then convert.
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Mountain training & sight seeing in NZ
I’ll be visiting New Zealand in July and will have a couple of weeks free. Having just got my PPL, doing some flying there seems sensible
As NZ has better mountains than the UK, some mountain training appeals. I’ll be starting in Dunedin and finishing in Auckland, so hope to see some of both islands from the air. Any advice, specifically where to fly from and what to see - from an R22 – would be welcome.
Thanks! Excellent forum, BTW.
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As NZ has better mountains than the UK, some mountain training appeals. I’ll be starting in Dunedin and finishing in Auckland, so hope to see some of both islands from the air. Any advice, specifically where to fly from and what to see - from an R22 – would be welcome. Thanks! Excellent forum, BTW.
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FlyAnotherDay,
I asked a similar question last year before a trip to NZ. You could search for it in the archives; got a number of interesting replies. My situation is a bit different to you, as I work as an ATPL(H) in the UK.
My flying there was limited by other things and some unhelpful weather. However, I did fly an R22 briefly at Wanaka Helicopters with the guy who runs this outfit. A thoroughly professional and experienced instructor - trouble is I can't remember his name and his business card has gone missing.
It wasn't my first exposure to mountain flying - but the way he approached instruction, I am sure that you would get value out of any training you did with him.
Not to say that there aren't lots of other good places/instructors in NZ - there is lots of opportunity to refine mountain flying skills there.
Best holiday I ever had by the way!
Helinut
I asked a similar question last year before a trip to NZ. You could search for it in the archives; got a number of interesting replies. My situation is a bit different to you, as I work as an ATPL(H) in the UK.
My flying there was limited by other things and some unhelpful weather. However, I did fly an R22 briefly at Wanaka Helicopters with the guy who runs this outfit. A thoroughly professional and experienced instructor - trouble is I can't remember his name and his business card has gone missing.
It wasn't my first exposure to mountain flying - but the way he approached instruction, I am sure that you would get value out of any training you did with him.
Not to say that there aren't lots of other good places/instructors in NZ - there is lots of opportunity to refine mountain flying skills there.
Best holiday I ever had by the way!
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Wanaka helicopters, Simon Spencer Bower.
If your around Taupo on the N island Look up Burce Harvey, Harvey helicopters.
Search for the old thread, worth reading..
Helinut, if I could figure out how to make us dollars and live on the south island I would have moved last week! gald you had fun
RB
If your around Taupo on the N island Look up Burce Harvey, Harvey helicopters.
Search for the old thread, worth reading..
Helinut, if I could figure out how to make us dollars and live on the south island I would have moved last week! gald you had fun
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Mountain Flying in NZ
I can recommend HeliFlight Wairapa who are based at Masterton in the North Island (about an hour North East from Wellington.)
I went out in a 300C and did some mountain flying in the local ranges- very impresive and miles better than Snowdonia. (No fast jets to worry about either!!!)
I believe they have an R22 as well if you are so inclined!
Fly Safe.
I went out in a 300C and did some mountain flying in the local ranges- very impresive and miles better than Snowdonia. (No fast jets to worry about either!!!)
I believe they have an R22 as well if you are so inclined!
Fly Safe.
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Gidday Theraingod, Heliflight have bases in Auckland and Masterton. Auckland being GREAT for the airspace, with Auckland INT airport and 2 other controlled airports quite close. And Masterton with the Tararua mountains (which are excellent!) You get the best of both worlds with Heliflight.
Was I Happy with the training?
Absolutley! I have just completed my CPL and are doing my C Cat with them, I have flown with most of their instructors and and found them all to be very skilled, willing to teach and above all friendly. When I travel between bases, Im always made to feel very welcome. They are a great bunch of guys, and I owe them everything.
Also forgot to mention, we have 2 of the latest H300s in NZ.
2x 269cbi ( the fuel injected models ) Very nice Ships!
Was I Happy with the training?
Absolutley! I have just completed my CPL and are doing my C Cat with them, I have flown with most of their instructors and and found them all to be very skilled, willing to teach and above all friendly. When I travel between bases, Im always made to feel very welcome. They are a great bunch of guys, and I owe them everything.
Also forgot to mention, we have 2 of the latest H300s in NZ.
2x 269cbi ( the fuel injected models ) Very nice Ships!
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I'd also recommend Auckland Helicopters / Christchurch Helicopters, both are commercial operators as well as training organisations and have 3 established bases around the country giving students the benifit of variety or conditions and airspace
the auckland base is only less then a year old but as a whole they are worth a look.
My training so far with them has be fantastic
www.aucklandhelicopters.co.nz
www.christchurchhelicopters.co.nz
www.foveauxhelicopters.co.nz
all 3 are apart of the same group
the auckland base is only less then a year old but as a whole they are worth a look.
My training so far with them has be fantastic
www.aucklandhelicopters.co.nz
www.christchurchhelicopters.co.nz
www.foveauxhelicopters.co.nz
all 3 are apart of the same group
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hey Hughesy, yeah training is goin good been confined to books recently though, id be keen for a beer some time but ill have to find out weather our lot are still banned from the aero club
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CPL Training In NZ
Just been made redundant after 17 years in flight ops so want to put the dosh to good use. CPL training in NZ has already been recommended by a heli-instructor friend living in Auckland.
Quite fancy NZ particularily South Island.
Any do's, dont's or top tips gratefully received.
Timfly
Quite fancy NZ particularily South Island.
Any do's, dont's or top tips gratefully received.
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New Zealand is generally very helicopter friendly and a great place to fly - lots of interesting terrain. Exchange rate at the moment gives great value for money as well compared to the UK.
However, just remember if you want to work your NZ CPL will be useless in the UK, and converting it will basically require you to do all the JAA exams and flying.
If you want to work in NZ, obviously you have to check out the legal situation. Highly unlikely unless you're from there originally or whatever. Even if that's the case, chance of you getting a job with raw CPL just a tad above zero unless you're prepared and legally able to stay in NZ and do hangar-rat type jobs for a year or two until you maybe land a flying position.
In the UK, after your CPL(H), you'll need 300 hours and an instructors rating to be in a position to look for work. Likelihood of any work off a straight CPL(H) with low hours again zilch basically.
Only proviso to that would be if the North Sea suddenly opened up again in a big way, but I wouldn't hold your breath!
If you already know all this stuff, then sorry
If not, then I hope it's a help. Not trying to put you off, just give you a realistic view of what the CPL actually means before you start spending your well-earned.
Good luck.
However, just remember if you want to work your NZ CPL will be useless in the UK, and converting it will basically require you to do all the JAA exams and flying.
If you want to work in NZ, obviously you have to check out the legal situation. Highly unlikely unless you're from there originally or whatever. Even if that's the case, chance of you getting a job with raw CPL just a tad above zero unless you're prepared and legally able to stay in NZ and do hangar-rat type jobs for a year or two until you maybe land a flying position.
In the UK, after your CPL(H), you'll need 300 hours and an instructors rating to be in a position to look for work. Likelihood of any work off a straight CPL(H) with low hours again zilch basically.
Only proviso to that would be if the North Sea suddenly opened up again in a big way, but I wouldn't hold your breath!
If you already know all this stuff, then sorry
If not, then I hope it's a help. Not trying to put you off, just give you a realistic view of what the CPL actually means before you start spending your well-earned.
Good luck.
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Apologies to timfly if this goes off topic, sorry to hear about your redundancy.
Max, so let me get this straight, that if you get a JAA CPL(H) which generally would provide one with roughly 140 hrs or so even if one gets an instructor rating, one can't instruct until you have 300 hrs? Is that correct?
So not only does one have the cost of the CPL(H), you have to somehow fund the 160hrs some other way which you can't get because it's unlikely that anybody will give you a flying job with so few hours directly after a CPL(H) what a crock of s**t..so it's only it's ever gonna be accessible to the boys (girls too) with rich mommies and daddies or sold their souls to IT!!
Whilst on the subject i've noticed a lot of you oldbbies out there with different licenses such as JAA, FAA, Candian, Aus, NZ. Are there no agreements between these countries? So for every license one has to set practically the same set of exams just to satisfy the local government ego? Yet more money! So to clear things up, does anybody know where the FAA license is accepted, where th JAA license is accept throughout the world appart from those resident countries. ie FAA - US, JAA - EU, Can - Canada etc?
Max, so let me get this straight, that if you get a JAA CPL(H) which generally would provide one with roughly 140 hrs or so even if one gets an instructor rating, one can't instruct until you have 300 hrs? Is that correct?
So not only does one have the cost of the CPL(H), you have to somehow fund the 160hrs some other way which you can't get because it's unlikely that anybody will give you a flying job with so few hours directly after a CPL(H) what a crock of s**t..so it's only it's ever gonna be accessible to the boys (girls too) with rich mommies and daddies or sold their souls to IT!!
Whilst on the subject i've noticed a lot of you oldbbies out there with different licenses such as JAA, FAA, Candian, Aus, NZ. Are there no agreements between these countries? So for every license one has to set practically the same set of exams just to satisfy the local government ego? Yet more money! So to clear things up, does anybody know where the FAA license is accepted, where th JAA license is accept throughout the world appart from those resident countries. ie FAA - US, JAA - EU, Can - Canada etc?
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helislave, yes, sorry to be the messenger of bad news but that's it under JAR's I'm afraid.
There are a number of entry requirements for the instructor's course, but yes basically you need 300 helicopter hours before commencing the course, which itself is at least 30 hours.
There have been times in the past when North Sea operators have hired people with a basic CPL(H) and no more hours than the minimum, and no instrument rating. But with the present economic climate, it's certainly not happening now.
Bristows have also sponsored people through their training. Highly competitive, usually an upper age limit and not always advertised. Don't know what the state of play is at the moment.
So financially to get those 300 hundred hours is a nightmare. An alternative route is to train in the USA where it's much cheaper and you need about half the hours to be an instructor. Once you've trained, if you're very lucky and good enough you might be taken on by the school you trained at on a visa that allows you to stay and build up time instructing. This way you get the hours. Only drawback is when you get back to Europe, you've still got exams and flying to do to convert to JAA license. However, arguably much cheaper if it all works out as planned. But, if you don't get taken on as an instructor, what then? As you know, there just aren't any guarantees.
In answer to your other question, simply put, not easy to convert other licenses to CAA/JAA. That is probably the biggest hassle. Easier to convert from CAA/JAA to FAA, or AUS or NZ. As for other countries accepting licenses, it can be complicated, especially when you get down to where the aircraft's registered etc. But for example, in Middle East countries and Africa both CAA/JAA and FAA tend to be accepted or easily converted. So generally you're not talking about sitting all the exams again, at most an Air Law exam and IR test if appropriate. It's really just going from anywhere else into the JAA system that tends to be more restrictive.
Ultimately the biggest hurdle of course is do you have a work permit, visa, immigration approval for the country you want to work in?
Hope that answers some questions. Bottom line is, it ain't easy!
There are a number of entry requirements for the instructor's course, but yes basically you need 300 helicopter hours before commencing the course, which itself is at least 30 hours.
There have been times in the past when North Sea operators have hired people with a basic CPL(H) and no more hours than the minimum, and no instrument rating. But with the present economic climate, it's certainly not happening now.
Bristows have also sponsored people through their training. Highly competitive, usually an upper age limit and not always advertised. Don't know what the state of play is at the moment.
So financially to get those 300 hundred hours is a nightmare. An alternative route is to train in the USA where it's much cheaper and you need about half the hours to be an instructor. Once you've trained, if you're very lucky and good enough you might be taken on by the school you trained at on a visa that allows you to stay and build up time instructing. This way you get the hours. Only drawback is when you get back to Europe, you've still got exams and flying to do to convert to JAA license. However, arguably much cheaper if it all works out as planned. But, if you don't get taken on as an instructor, what then? As you know, there just aren't any guarantees.
In answer to your other question, simply put, not easy to convert other licenses to CAA/JAA. That is probably the biggest hassle. Easier to convert from CAA/JAA to FAA, or AUS or NZ. As for other countries accepting licenses, it can be complicated, especially when you get down to where the aircraft's registered etc. But for example, in Middle East countries and Africa both CAA/JAA and FAA tend to be accepted or easily converted. So generally you're not talking about sitting all the exams again, at most an Air Law exam and IR test if appropriate. It's really just going from anywhere else into the JAA system that tends to be more restrictive.
Ultimately the biggest hurdle of course is do you have a work permit, visa, immigration approval for the country you want to work in?
Hope that answers some questions. Bottom line is, it ain't easy!
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Hi timfly. You could come to NZ and do some of the hours down here, and then go back to Scotland to sit the exams. Just an option, as we have had a few students from your way do just that.
Hi timfly. You could come to NZ and do some of the hours down here, and then go back to Scotland to sit the exams. Just an option, as we have had a few students from your way do just that.
Good luck with your CPL mate.
Hi timfly. You could come to NZ and do some of the hours down here, and then go back to Scotland to sit the exams. Just an option, as we have had a few students from your way do just that.
Good luck with your CPL mate.