New Zealand - Training Schools and Job Prospects
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Steve76 - Agree completely. There are some instructors both in OZ and NZ that I respect very much, some of whom visit here. These are guys that have gone out and 'worked' a helicopter in the outback, jungles, bush etc and now they are passing on their experience to newbies. I think its great 
Some of the ones that come to mind are Bruce Harvey, Simon Expensive Flowers, Graeme Gillies etc. There are a lot of guys flying on both sides of the ditch in this part of the world who have a wealth of experience that newbies could benefit from, whether or not they would ever consider training, I doubt it.
What would be great to do is arrange a sort of jobs fair where we could get together some of the best in the business and they could give a 1hr presentation to a room full of students about anything that could help them in their career. Doubt if that would happen but its worth a thought and think of the encouragement it would give to those just starting out, or even better, those wanting to get into the industry.
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Some of the ones that come to mind are Bruce Harvey, Simon Expensive Flowers, Graeme Gillies etc. There are a lot of guys flying on both sides of the ditch in this part of the world who have a wealth of experience that newbies could benefit from, whether or not they would ever consider training, I doubt it.
What would be great to do is arrange a sort of jobs fair where we could get together some of the best in the business and they could give a 1hr presentation to a room full of students about anything that could help them in their career. Doubt if that would happen but its worth a thought and think of the encouragement it would give to those just starting out, or even better, those wanting to get into the industry.
Autorotate.
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I agree. Pick who you are training with more for the reason of what you can gain from their experience. Someone who has a wealth of experience can teach you to live as well as teach you to fly.
New Zealand-Advice Needed
My folks are spending my inheritance on a tour of New Zealand in February 2005.
In order to spend as much of it as possible and after seeing Billy Connolly's World Tour of New Zealand on TV on Saturday, they would like to do a Helicopter Sightseeing trip.
Can anyone in New Zealand give advice or recommend the best place or company to do it with?
Thanks in advance.
FNW
In order to spend as much of it as possible and after seeing Billy Connolly's World Tour of New Zealand on TV on Saturday, they would like to do a Helicopter Sightseeing trip.
Can anyone in New Zealand give advice or recommend the best place or company to do it with?
Thanks in advance.
FNW
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FNW,
As most Kiwis will be asleep (or down the pub!) at time of writing, I'll get in first.
I went to NZ about 8 years ago and flew with The Helicopter Line at Queenstown as part of 'The Queenstown Combo'.
This included a jetboat / helicopter / cablecar ride and was a brilliant way to see and experience the area.
The Helicopter Line also do heli tours on their own and when I went we flew in a Single Squirrel.
See http://www.helicopter.co.nz or if your folks are feeling adventurous, see http://www.combos.co.nz
Hope this helps,
Wokkaboy
As most Kiwis will be asleep (or down the pub!) at time of writing, I'll get in first.
I went to NZ about 8 years ago and flew with The Helicopter Line at Queenstown as part of 'The Queenstown Combo'.
This included a jetboat / helicopter / cablecar ride and was a brilliant way to see and experience the area.
The Helicopter Line also do heli tours on their own and when I went we flew in a Single Squirrel.
See http://www.helicopter.co.nz or if your folks are feeling adventurous, see http://www.combos.co.nz
Hope this helps,
Wokkaboy
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asleep or down the pub,
what sort of picture are you painting of the land down under?
I am currently in NZ doing my CPL training, so i have some insight into what and where to go.
The answer to your question kinda depends on where you are going, and what they want to do. If up in auckland there are more heli companys than you can shake a stick at.
Basically there are heli companys anywhere you go in NZ.
I am training with www.heliflight.co.nz
and can say they are very profesional and helpful, they have three bases at :- auckland, masterton(1hr north of wellington) and at wellington.
However the very best sceinery you can experience will be in the south island, again more companies than i could mention but have heard good things of Christchurch helis.
hope this helps
what sort of picture are you painting of the land down under?
I am currently in NZ doing my CPL training, so i have some insight into what and where to go.
The answer to your question kinda depends on where you are going, and what they want to do. If up in auckland there are more heli companys than you can shake a stick at.
Basically there are heli companys anywhere you go in NZ.
I am training with www.heliflight.co.nz
and can say they are very profesional and helpful, they have three bases at :- auckland, masterton(1hr north of wellington) and at wellington.
However the very best sceinery you can experience will be in the south island, again more companies than i could mention but have heard good things of Christchurch helis.
hope this helps
Come and see me at Volcanic Air Safari's in Rotorua.
We can sort a deal on a flight to a real live massive offshore volcano...and we can chat about helicopters there and back
Lets see the South Island boys pull a Volcano out of their pocket...
We can sort a deal on a flight to a real live massive offshore volcano...and we can chat about helicopters there and back
Lets see the South Island boys pull a Volcano out of their pocket...
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manufacturing manager , career opportunity, New Zealand
If anyone knows of a talented engineering manager, manufacturing manager or production / operations manager probably in the US, who wants to step up to general manager, please get them to PM me.
OR might be a GM looking to move to NZ for lifestyle reasons.
HAS to have recent or current experience in helo manufacturing industry and interested in living in NZ.
cheers
careym
OR might be a GM looking to move to NZ for lifestyle reasons.
HAS to have recent or current experience in helo manufacturing industry and interested in living in NZ.
cheers
careym
New Zealand finally makes the top ten!
At the end of April, with only 4 million people, NZ now has 611 helicopters (and 8 gyrocopters.)
The NZ people have the highest ownership per head of population of any country in the world.
And they are now in the top ten nations for helicopter numbers.
What does this mean? They have about 60% of the UK numbers, 50% of the number of Australian machines and 33% of the Canadian fleet.
About a third of the NZ machines are piston, the majority by far are the single turbines, with a smattering of twins.
Current trends? From January – April, another dozen helicopters have appeared on the CAA NZ register. This includes losses of five being exported and one destroyed.
Rate of increase in almost one helicopter per week. (This compares with Australia at just over two per week.)
Shortage of available stock is slowing sales, as in Australia, according to dealers.
And their secret? Long being the butt of jokes about their poor safety record, they have actually got their act together and now have a loss rate less than Australia. The past eighteen months figures seem to confirm this good news. Well done to the new generation of NZ operators and the hard and effective work of the CAA NZ helicopter people. In particular, John Fogden and his team who have developed a top class method of communicating with industry.
Across the Tasman this change has not gone unnoticed.
The bottom line is less prangs, less insurance payouts, lowered premiums, lower charge out rates, less customer resistance which all means more flying and more jobs!
I will now put on my helmet as I know the troglodytes will now throw rocks at this post.
PS: I am not a Kiwi, just a researcher and helicopter enthusiast.
The NZ people have the highest ownership per head of population of any country in the world.
And they are now in the top ten nations for helicopter numbers.
What does this mean? They have about 60% of the UK numbers, 50% of the number of Australian machines and 33% of the Canadian fleet.
About a third of the NZ machines are piston, the majority by far are the single turbines, with a smattering of twins.
Current trends? From January – April, another dozen helicopters have appeared on the CAA NZ register. This includes losses of five being exported and one destroyed.
Rate of increase in almost one helicopter per week. (This compares with Australia at just over two per week.)
Shortage of available stock is slowing sales, as in Australia, according to dealers.
And their secret? Long being the butt of jokes about their poor safety record, they have actually got their act together and now have a loss rate less than Australia. The past eighteen months figures seem to confirm this good news. Well done to the new generation of NZ operators and the hard and effective work of the CAA NZ helicopter people. In particular, John Fogden and his team who have developed a top class method of communicating with industry.
Across the Tasman this change has not gone unnoticed.
The bottom line is less prangs, less insurance payouts, lowered premiums, lower charge out rates, less customer resistance which all means more flying and more jobs!
I will now put on my helmet as I know the troglodytes will now throw rocks at this post.
PS: I am not a Kiwi, just a researcher and helicopter enthusiast.
Mountain flying is good training in NZ
A good point here! The Kiwis have this as part of their course.
Aussies have only a token exposure to ridgeline and pinnacle operations and not a formal mountain flying course.
Many Aussie schools cannot get onto pinnacles easily, due to being city based having to fight the National Parks people in most cases. Makes is hard for the instructors to find a decent place.
Mustering guys will say: “We don’t need that stuff – we are flat landers.”
However, they then protest when their Robbie gasps in 40 degrees, siting on a 2,500 foot plateau in 90% humidity.
Everyone knows mountain flying really consolidates a pilots’ training.
I do a lot of safety training, and have noted the Kiwis have an advantage in this area. So the training does pay off in the long term.
Aussies have only a token exposure to ridgeline and pinnacle operations and not a formal mountain flying course.
Many Aussie schools cannot get onto pinnacles easily, due to being city based having to fight the National Parks people in most cases. Makes is hard for the instructors to find a decent place.
Mustering guys will say: “We don’t need that stuff – we are flat landers.”
However, they then protest when their Robbie gasps in 40 degrees, siting on a 2,500 foot plateau in 90% humidity.
Everyone knows mountain flying really consolidates a pilots’ training.
I do a lot of safety training, and have noted the Kiwis have an advantage in this area. So the training does pay off in the long term.
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Hey Rob just a point mate,
when i first went to Canada all the BC mountain pilots said us aussies wouldnt handle mountains i really dont see the difference in operating 2 up in a r22 at 2000ft mustering all day in 40deg c than flying around mountains if you work out DA its the same??
I am and was a mustering guy (obviously) and i think mountain training can teach you alot especially about weather....weather isnt such a issue in OZ as Canada as a few guys on here would know.
But pretty broad statement mate to saty all mustering guys would say we dont need mountain training.......Alice Springs is 2500ft and on a 45 deg day isnt to be taken lightly mustering 2 up and the Kimberlys in a lot of places is 2000ft plus as well.....and what about Mt Surprise.......
What I mean here is that operating a 300 47 or r22 loaded with a bit of altitude and lots of heat and humidity is the same as mountains
when i first went to Canada all the BC mountain pilots said us aussies wouldnt handle mountains i really dont see the difference in operating 2 up in a r22 at 2000ft mustering all day in 40deg c than flying around mountains if you work out DA its the same??
I am and was a mustering guy (obviously) and i think mountain training can teach you alot especially about weather....weather isnt such a issue in OZ as Canada as a few guys on here would know.
But pretty broad statement mate to saty all mustering guys would say we dont need mountain training.......Alice Springs is 2500ft and on a 45 deg day isnt to be taken lightly mustering 2 up and the Kimberlys in a lot of places is 2000ft plus as well.....and what about Mt Surprise.......
What I mean here is that operating a 300 47 or r22 loaded with a bit of altitude and lots of heat and humidity is the same as mountains
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and the wind effects
and the cloud
and the glare
2000ft and 40 deg is a DA of 5,960ft
enough to see your heavy machine waffle to the ground
10000ft and 0 deg is a DA of 10,000ft
enough to see your heavy machine waffle into the side of a mountain
i guess you point is wherever or whatever you waffle it means nothing in the end
and the cloud
and the glare
2000ft and 40 deg is a DA of 5,960ft
enough to see your heavy machine waffle to the ground
10000ft and 0 deg is a DA of 10,000ft
enough to see your heavy machine waffle into the side of a mountain
i guess you point is wherever or whatever you waffle it means nothing in the end
Reckon we could get the NZ CAA to correspond with the US FAA? Maybe they could have a positive impact upon the US safety stats?
Like maybe.....errrr...contract out the work?
Like maybe.....errrr...contract out the work?