Collision with hotel in Cairns
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You really are an A$$hole arent you CFI_CYWG
How the hell can you make accusations like that when you dont even know the kid. Maybe you should just STFU and leave the investigators to do their job.
- So did you talk to him before his flight and he told you exactly what he was going to be which is how you came up with that gem.
I was recently in Cairns and had the opportunity to meet him - really nice kid - and like everyone at Nautilus people are wracking their brains trying to work out why he did it. Some of the accusations on here are so far from the truth its hilarious.
How the hell can you make accusations like that when you dont even know the kid. Maybe you should just STFU and leave the investigators to do their job.
- So did you talk to him before his flight and he told you exactly what he was going to be which is how you came up with that gem.
I was recently in Cairns and had the opportunity to meet him - really nice kid - and like everyone at Nautilus people are wracking their brains trying to work out why he did it. Some of the accusations on here are so far from the truth its hilarious.
Last edited by Senior Pilot; 15th August 2024 at 22:15. Reason: Remove quote from deleted post
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From: USA
Every time I come across this thread, my dead English teacher mother whispers in my ear: “that wasn’t a collision, it was an allision because the hotel wasn’t able to move and the helicopter ran into it”
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest…
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest…
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From: Winnipeg
KiwiedNZ,
I'm sure all the students of human factors, psychology, and your future possible employers
read your posts very carefully.
So lets treat this as if its human factors ground school on the subject of
suicide in aviation.
I did not come up with anything. Its classic res ipso, or more accurately in this case, res ipsa loquitur.
When a person kills themselves, its called suicide.
Normal people do not kill themselves.
All of us suffer mental health problems at some stage of our life and
others more seriously than others.
Yelling insults to complete strangers is one symptom,
Being incapable of listening to others is another.
Suicide is generally caused by depression.
Fact is, Alcohol is a depressant.
Pilots are human beings and are subject to human factors.
Suicide is like an aircraft accident and generally has multiple causes.
Hazardous attitudes more often than not occur because of impairment
in its various forms.
The worst is probably sleep deprivation, stress, anxiety, depression, throw
in alcohol and the wrong medications and its enough to turn any human being
into a mad killer of themselves and or others.
I'm sure every experienced pilot knows of a pilot who was taking the wrong medications
not suitable for aviation, with alcohol and who left or leaves a trail of destruction.
They go from nice guy at the bar to toxic abusers in the cockpit or management.
No examples named, needed or inferred. There are enough of them.
Its very obvious that Blake Wilson was under a variety of stressors
and we can name them.
Just moved country
Just started a new job
Under work pressure
Suffering anxiety
Under pressure to perform
Then there is the anxiety and depression of several years waiting to get a real helicopter job.
Landing, keeping that first job is a large amount of stress.
Obviously, Nautilus liked him and hired him, gave him a chance, entrusted him with
a lot of responsibility, all he had to do was enjoy the ride.
When you join an aviation company, getting smashed at a party is a good way
of demonstrating hazardous attitude.
Nautilus trusted Blake Wilson with a lot of responsibility. They gave him a fantastic career starting opportunity
that most newly minted CPL (H) dream of.
This does not just affect Nautilus, it affects everyone in aviation, its a lesson to all of us.
Its a tragic learning opportunity to use our brains and understand how and why
this tragedy occurred and how to develop the skills to help us deal with these issues in the future.
I'm sure all the students of human factors, psychology, and your future possible employers
read your posts very carefully.
So lets treat this as if its human factors ground school on the subject of
suicide in aviation.
I did not come up with anything. Its classic res ipso, or more accurately in this case, res ipsa loquitur.
When a person kills themselves, its called suicide.
Normal people do not kill themselves.
All of us suffer mental health problems at some stage of our life and
others more seriously than others.
Yelling insults to complete strangers is one symptom,
Being incapable of listening to others is another.
Suicide is generally caused by depression.
Fact is, Alcohol is a depressant.
Pilots are human beings and are subject to human factors.
Suicide is like an aircraft accident and generally has multiple causes.
Hazardous attitudes more often than not occur because of impairment
in its various forms.
The worst is probably sleep deprivation, stress, anxiety, depression, throw
in alcohol and the wrong medications and its enough to turn any human being
into a mad killer of themselves and or others.
I'm sure every experienced pilot knows of a pilot who was taking the wrong medications
not suitable for aviation, with alcohol and who left or leaves a trail of destruction.
They go from nice guy at the bar to toxic abusers in the cockpit or management.
No examples named, needed or inferred. There are enough of them.
Its very obvious that Blake Wilson was under a variety of stressors
and we can name them.
Just moved country
Just started a new job
Under work pressure
Suffering anxiety
Under pressure to perform
Then there is the anxiety and depression of several years waiting to get a real helicopter job.
Landing, keeping that first job is a large amount of stress.
Obviously, Nautilus liked him and hired him, gave him a chance, entrusted him with
a lot of responsibility, all he had to do was enjoy the ride.
When you join an aviation company, getting smashed at a party is a good way
of demonstrating hazardous attitude.
Nautilus trusted Blake Wilson with a lot of responsibility. They gave him a fantastic career starting opportunity
that most newly minted CPL (H) dream of.
This does not just affect Nautilus, it affects everyone in aviation, its a lesson to all of us.
Its a tragic learning opportunity to use our brains and understand how and why
this tragedy occurred and how to develop the skills to help us deal with these issues in the future.
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From: On land
I did not come up with anything
BTW, as yet there is no evidence that this was suicide. It may well be the result of a poorly thought through drunken escapade.
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From: South East Asia
It comes a certain age when you see the expereinces in your own life, or the life of familly or friends, to realize that taking the wrong road for a little bit is human.
Many good people on the surface, have an inner chalenge that they have become skillfull at coping with. nothing malicious for recognizing it.
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From: Australia
It is quite clear from your ramblings below that you have very little idea what you are pontificating about. Perhaps instead look up drug (or substance) induced psychosis and you might learn a thing or two. Then leave the investigating to the real investigators.
KiwiedNZ,
I'm sure all the students of human factors, psychology, and your future possible employers
read your posts very carefully.
So lets treat this as if its human factors ground school on the subject of
suicide in aviation.
I did not come up with anything. Its classic res ipso, or more accurately in this case, res ipsa loquitur.
When a person kills themselves, its called suicide.
Normal people do not kill themselves.
All of us suffer mental health problems at some stage of our life and
others more seriously than others.
Yelling insults to complete strangers is one symptom,
Being incapable of listening to others is another.
Suicide is generally caused by depression.
Fact is, Alcohol is a depressant.
Pilots are human beings and are subject to human factors.
Suicide is like an aircraft accident and generally has multiple causes.
Hazardous attitudes more often than not occur because of impairment
in its various forms.
The worst is probably sleep deprivation, stress, anxiety, depression, throw
in alcohol and the wrong medications and its enough to turn any human being
into a mad killer of themselves and or others.
I'm sure every experienced pilot knows of a pilot who was taking the wrong medications
not suitable for aviation, with alcohol and who left or leaves a trail of destruction.
They go from nice guy at the bar to toxic abusers in the cockpit or management.
No examples named, needed or inferred. There are enough of them.
Its very obvious that Blake Wilson was under a variety of stressors
and we can name them.
Just moved country
Just started a new job
Under work pressure
Suffering anxiety
Under pressure to perform
Then there is the anxiety and depression of several years waiting to get a real helicopter job.
Landing, keeping that first job is a large amount of stress.
Obviously, Nautilus liked him and hired him, gave him a chance, entrusted him with
a lot of responsibility, all he had to do was enjoy the ride.
When you join an aviation company, getting smashed at a party is a good way
of demonstrating hazardous attitude.
Nautilus trusted Blake Wilson with a lot of responsibility. They gave him a fantastic career starting opportunity
that most newly minted CPL (H) dream of.
This does not just affect Nautilus, it affects everyone in aviation, its a lesson to all of us.
Its a tragic learning opportunity to use our brains and understand how and why
this tragedy occurred and how to develop the skills to help us deal with these issues in the future.
I'm sure all the students of human factors, psychology, and your future possible employers
read your posts very carefully.
So lets treat this as if its human factors ground school on the subject of
suicide in aviation.
I did not come up with anything. Its classic res ipso, or more accurately in this case, res ipsa loquitur.
When a person kills themselves, its called suicide.
Normal people do not kill themselves.
All of us suffer mental health problems at some stage of our life and
others more seriously than others.
Yelling insults to complete strangers is one symptom,
Being incapable of listening to others is another.
Suicide is generally caused by depression.
Fact is, Alcohol is a depressant.
Pilots are human beings and are subject to human factors.
Suicide is like an aircraft accident and generally has multiple causes.
Hazardous attitudes more often than not occur because of impairment
in its various forms.
The worst is probably sleep deprivation, stress, anxiety, depression, throw
in alcohol and the wrong medications and its enough to turn any human being
into a mad killer of themselves and or others.
I'm sure every experienced pilot knows of a pilot who was taking the wrong medications
not suitable for aviation, with alcohol and who left or leaves a trail of destruction.
They go from nice guy at the bar to toxic abusers in the cockpit or management.
No examples named, needed or inferred. There are enough of them.
Its very obvious that Blake Wilson was under a variety of stressors
and we can name them.
Just moved country
Just started a new job
Under work pressure
Suffering anxiety
Under pressure to perform
Then there is the anxiety and depression of several years waiting to get a real helicopter job.
Landing, keeping that first job is a large amount of stress.
Obviously, Nautilus liked him and hired him, gave him a chance, entrusted him with
a lot of responsibility, all he had to do was enjoy the ride.
When you join an aviation company, getting smashed at a party is a good way
of demonstrating hazardous attitude.
Nautilus trusted Blake Wilson with a lot of responsibility. They gave him a fantastic career starting opportunity
that most newly minted CPL (H) dream of.
This does not just affect Nautilus, it affects everyone in aviation, its a lesson to all of us.
Its a tragic learning opportunity to use our brains and understand how and why
this tragedy occurred and how to develop the skills to help us deal with these issues in the future.
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From: Auckland, New Zealand
You really are an arrogant prick arent you - self righteous asshole.
You have no clue that he committed suicide so rather than insult a great kid who obviously got in over his head pull ya farqing head in.
And your comment about my future employers reading my posts well good farqing luck to them.
You have no clue that he committed suicide so rather than insult a great kid who obviously got in over his head pull ya farqing head in.
And your comment about my future employers reading my posts well good farqing luck to them.
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From: Australia.
Suicide is generally caused by depression.
Fact is, Alcohol is a depressant.
Fact is, Alcohol is a depressant.
Alcohol is a central nervous system depressant.
The two are not connected, as you imply.
Whatever was going on with this young bloke, it is a sad outcome. I feel for his family and friends. RIP.
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and your future possible employers
read your posts very carefully.
read your posts very carefully.
Chief Bottle Washer
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From: PPRuNe
CFI_CYWG I shall give this rare public warning to you, since you have ignored earlier Moderation of two posts and persisted in unacceptable speculation.
As already stated, leave the Accident Investigation to the experts. We generally welcome rational and factual input from our fellow Rotorheads, but it concerns me that you are persisting in linking this accident to suicidal tendencies without any known evidence.
No more from anyone here along such lines unless supported by the accident investigation.
As already stated, leave the Accident Investigation to the experts. We generally welcome rational and factual input from our fellow Rotorheads, but it concerns me that you are persisting in linking this accident to suicidal tendencies without any known evidence.
No more from anyone here along such lines unless supported by the accident investigation.
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From: Melbourne, Australia
Update on this incident:
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...614aab8cdbd643
- Pilot had "significant amount of alcohol before and during the flight".
- 157.8 hours flying experience, 16.8 hours on type.
There's also a witness video.
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...614aab8cdbd643
- Pilot had "significant amount of alcohol before and during the flight".
- 157.8 hours flying experience, 16.8 hours on type.
There's also a witness video.
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With all due respect to Senior Pilots post above, folk who have a genuine interest in the subject might do a study of the connection between drunkenness and suicide, the statistics are not one to warm ones heart.
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That "study" shall be outside this thread as decided by Senior Pilot.
If you wish to conduct such a general discussion about such issues you can feel free to do it in a new Thread so long as you do not make reference to this particular tragedy without citing an official reference from the Accident Investigation or other such official authority involved in that investigation.
Discussion of alcohol use along with the consumption of other substances in addition to or/with psychological problems are a fact of life as Helicopter Pilots are humans and thus a topic of concern.
Just take that general discussion elsewhere.
If you wish to conduct such a general discussion about such issues you can feel free to do it in a new Thread so long as you do not make reference to this particular tragedy without citing an official reference from the Accident Investigation or other such official authority involved in that investigation.
Discussion of alcohol use along with the consumption of other substances in addition to or/with psychological problems are a fact of life as Helicopter Pilots are humans and thus a topic of concern.
Just take that general discussion elsewhere.
