Iranian president's helicopter involved in a hard landing (aka crash)
Yes, we all understand that an utter pedant in utter 100% pedantry mode cannot 100% rule anything out until a cause is 'proved', not even mossad, aliens, meteorites or the salvation army.
However most of us are capable of recognising a duck when we see one without feeling the need to question our intelligence in such a way, nor do we make unnecessary snarky remarks about those who are capable of recognising the obvious for what it almost certainly is. No one is tryng to write the official accident report, merely commenting on the obvious that most of us can see.
Do I take it that once the Iranian "government" issues the official report you will swallow its findings and "evidence" 100%? Seriously??
This weird desire to divine/insert double-jeopardy in scenarios were once an utter nightmare once in the training world though our industry has pretty much eradicated such unrealistic (mal)practice a decade or two ago. Sadly, apparently, such fanciful notions live on in some places.
I do hope you're not an instructor...
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Are we so sure of the quality of Iranian maintenance of an ageing airframe that component failure cannot be discounted as a contributory cause? The story broke as a hard landing, not as a lost contact (missing ac) announcement.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
TSK just pulled a spectacular aerial surveillance coup over very sensitive Iranian military sites.
The AKINCI drone could have gone straight to the suspected crash zone, but flew over Amand rocket site, Khoi airport, Tabriz airport, also over the army's rapid response base…
The AKINCI drone could have gone straight to the suspected crash zone, but flew over Amand rocket site, Khoi airport, Tabriz airport, also over the army's rapid response base…
Just the facts:
In the early 1990s, following an International Court verdict, Bell was obligated to compensate Iran for unfinished business in Iran. Bell agreed to 'give' 4 X Bell 212 (new production, unsold ships in Mirabel) and also one Bell 206L4. They had a team come over to Mirabel for the inspection of these 5 helicopters. The team had more questions about AH-1J parts than they did about the ships they were in town to collect. Funny thing is there was a lot of RCMP presence in Mirabel at the time (disguised as surveyors) with optics to keep an eye on the team. After a number of missteps by the team, they were all gathered in a room and formally warned to stick to the delivery business and stop trying to get stuff they had no right to.
So when they packed up the An124 with these 5 ships, they also rolled in a motorhome filled with VCRs and microwave ovens, luxuries they could not get back home.
All in all, very cordial aviation folks.
I have tried to connect these Bell 212s, S/N 35XXX with the accident helicopter, but have not found a solid trace. There are also at least 2 Bell 412EP that made it into Iran after a detour through Mexico, so not only Agusta/Bell flying in Iran.
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In the early 1990s, following an International Court verdict, Bell was obligated to compensate Iran for unfinished business in Iran. Bell agreed to 'give' 4 X Bell 212 (new production, unsold ships in Mirabel) and also one Bell 206L4. They had a team come over to Mirabel for the inspection of these 5 helicopters. The team had more questions about AH-1J parts than they did about the ships they were in town to collect. Funny thing is there was a lot of RCMP presence in Mirabel at the time (disguised as surveyors) with optics to keep an eye on the team. After a number of missteps by the team, they were all gathered in a room and formally warned to stick to the delivery business and stop trying to get stuff they had no right to.
So when they packed up the An124 with these 5 ships, they also rolled in a motorhome filled with VCRs and microwave ovens, luxuries they could not get back home.
All in all, very cordial aviation folks.
I have tried to connect these Bell 212s, S/N 35XXX with the accident helicopter, but have not found a solid trace. There are also at least 2 Bell 412EP that made it into Iran after a detour through Mexico, so not only Agusta/Bell flying in Iran.
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It also may suggest the pilot managed to make a call before the ground intervened,
Nothing was known of the fate of the occupants until the wreck was found.
Nothing was known of the fate of the occupants until the wreck was found.
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Do I take it that once the Iranian "government" issues the official report you will swallow its findings and "evidence" 100%? Seriously??
This weird desire to divine/insert double-jeopardy in scenarios were once an utter nightmare once in the training world though our industry has pretty much eradicated such unrealistic (mal)practice a decade or two ago. Sadly, apparently, such fanciful notions live on in some places.
This weird desire to divine/insert double-jeopardy in scenarios were once an utter nightmare once in the training world though our industry has pretty much eradicated such unrealistic (mal)practice a decade or two ago. Sadly, apparently, such fanciful notions live on in some places.
When I was in Iran 20 years ago they had huge overhaul facilities in Teheran, overhauling 214A/C's , UH-1's, AH-1J's, 206, 212's, CH-47, RH-53 and T-53, T-55 and PT-6 Twin pac's , I saw a few Bell build 212/412's though most were AB's. The Iranian's were smart when they ordered their machines in the 70's 214 and CH-47 ran T-55, AH-1J and AB212's ran Twin Pac's , also a few single engine Cobra's were "aquired" around the place these and UH-1's had T-53's.
The Iranian Helicopter facility is the biggest Helo O/H centre I have seen , bigger than Bell in Mirabel , probably on par in size to Airbus in France.
The Iranian Helicopter facility is the biggest Helo O/H centre I have seen , bigger than Bell in Mirabel , probably on par in size to Airbus in France.
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So that was all about the machine. How about the cause?
Usual guff about bad weather and old parts being bandied about in the media.
Looks like a classic low flying accident to me. If it is true that two other choppers were in formation, it will be interesting to see how high they were operating - and under what flight rules.
Probably won't be too long before somebody accuses another country in the near East of sabotage etc. however...
Usual guff about bad weather and old parts being bandied about in the media.
Looks like a classic low flying accident to me. If it is true that two other choppers were in formation, it will be interesting to see how high they were operating - and under what flight rules.
Probably won't be too long before somebody accuses another country in the near East of sabotage etc. however...
You have got to be kidding me. Still with the conspiracy theories?
As some of you keep tossing your inane conspiracy theories into this event, it surely belongs here in Jet Blast.
Now get a bit more inventive: The Balochis were behind this!
Work that angle.
At least there are pictures of the helicopter scrap metal now, and it appears that the lack of survivors has been confirmed.
Cumulo granitus cloud formations sure are deadly.
As some of you keep tossing your inane conspiracy theories into this event, it surely belongs here in Jet Blast.
Now get a bit more inventive: The Balochis were behind this!
Work that angle.
In Iran, separatist fighting has reportedly not gained as much ground as the conflict in Pakistan,but has grown and become more sectarian since 2012,with the majority-Sunni Baloch showing a greater degree of Salafist and anti-Shia ideology in their fight against the Shia-Islamist Iranian government. Separatist militants fighting in Iran demand more rights for ethnic Baloch living in Iran's Sistan and Baluchestan Province
Cumulo granitus cloud formations sure are deadly.
Fly into the clouds near mountains, and accept the risk. Good point on the other two aircraft? How did they not end up in the same state?
From a meteorologist's POV, reading of "heavy fog" [what?] and heavy rain, and looking at the early shots of vis., this looks like 8/8 Ns saturated from the terrain to perhaps 20,000 ft.
If that was the forecast [are there competent Met. services in the area?] then no captain I ever briefed would voluntariy take off. Looks like severe cockpit gradient and pressonitis to this SLF. I have no pity for the pax, but the crew may well have been between a rock and a hard place even before take-off.
If that was the forecast [are there competent Met. services in the area?] then no captain I ever briefed would voluntariy take off. Looks like severe cockpit gradient and pressonitis to this SLF. I have no pity for the pax, but the crew may well have been between a rock and a hard place even before take-off.
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LB, I wonder what the other two aircrews are talking about this morning ...
At least one person had something nice to say about one of the dead, so he's got that going for him.
At least one person had something nice to say about one of the dead, so he's got that going for him.
Spoiler
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