Iranian president's helicopter involved in a hard landing (aka crash)

[happyjack]

Abbey Road. That is clearly a fixed wing aircraft!
This from this morning's DM...

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by meleagertoo

Mechanical failure ! That's hilarious!
Brutal amoral dictatorial bigwig on board, subservient dupes flying, atrocious weather, unbreakable schedule - yet people still witter on about mechanical failure.

I'm impressed at your ability to rule out any possible cause scenario while we wait for evidence.

Probably best not to give up the day job yet, though.

[ORAC]

Poor quality video of crash site and local area showing terrain.

https://x.com/gerashchenko_en/status...HhlFHGKbTPQr_A

[Nick Strange]

Looks like 412 blade in the wreckage

[Simplythebeast]

Well they got one thing right, it was certainly a hard landing.

[PC767]

Originally Posted by happyjack

Bell 205. A straightforward CFIT, why a conspiracy? A helicopter flying in mountainous terrain in fog/low cloud? Doh!

As the story first broke with very little information it was reasonsble to question every possibiliy. With more information it is obvious that different possibilies can be quickly be discounted. Yes CFIT is most likely but an open mind will not discount mechanical failure or an emergency landing gone wrong just yet.

[Blackhawk9]

Iranian VIP Sqn has 2 x 412's and possibly 4 x 212's in the Blue VIP scheme, file footage on TV is of a 212 but the crashed machine may be one of the 2 x 412's they operate.

[yarrayarra]

Originally Posted by charliegolf

Quite. I was present when a fairly junior pilot on 230 Sqn, when pressed to press on, told an Air Commodore, "With respect Sir, I am the captain of this aircraft, and I will decide when the weather is ok." Nice one.

CG

I was a controller at a non radar airport in the late 70s when we had operational control and had closed the airport due vis 200 in fog. VIP BAC111 with then Australian PM on board said he had a “green ticket” and required the ILS. I suggested that if a “higher authority” gave him the OK and indemnified me from breaking my authority as the controller, then I would approve the approach with conditions below minima (300ft 1200 RVR). A couple of minutes later pilot advised diverting to Canberra. PIC poor judgement can occur in many various situations

[Pearly White]

Originally Posted by yarrayarra

I was a controller at a non radar airport in the late 70s

Wouldn't have been YWBL by any chance?

[Video Mixdown]

Originally Posted by PC767

As the story first broke with very little information it was reasonsble to question every possibiliy. With more information it is obvious that different possibilies can be quickly be discounted. Yes CFIT is most likely but an open mind will not discount mechanical failure or an emergency landing gone wrong just yet.

There is rarely a single cause of an aircraft accident. Hitting the ground certainly destroyed the aircraft, but there can be any number of reasons why it did so.

[PPRuNeUser0221]

Unless it's on the Associated Press with a title reading "Associated Press reports..." then I don't believe ANY piece of news. Not Reuters, not NYT, not ANYONE.

The last bastion of great journalism with triple checks for verification. And btw, they reported it first yesterday circa 10 PM UK time that he was dead.

[Torquetalk]

Curious as to why they fly US product with the challenges sanctions must pose. Surely you can CFIT just as well in a Mil?

[clareprop]

Originally Posted by Simplythebeast

Well they got one thing right, it was certainly a hard landing.

Well, anyone you walk away from...ah...oh...hang on a sec...

[hotzenplotz]

Alleged route of the turkish UAV finding the crash site:

[ORAC]

Partially true....

After finding the wreckage of the crashed helicopter of Iranian President Raisi, Turkish Bayraktar AKINCI UAV returned home & drew theTurkish flag 🇹&#127479 on the map....

[keewee]

Yes, cheese & holes come to mind as with most/all incidents/accidents. Investigations by adequate bodies almost/always reach a conclusive determination of cause/effect (& notice the use of / !). Geo-politics will sadly play a part in this I'm sure.

[The Sultan]

Originally Posted by Torquetalk

Curious as to why they fly US product with the challenges sanctions must pose.

They are Agusta-Bell's from Italy.

[212man]

Originally Posted by The Sultan

They are Agusta-Bell's from Italy.

That was my assumption, but doesn't address the PT-6 issue

[MissChief]

Originally Posted by ATNotts

The information released can't be relied on. If I was a betting man I would put a couple of quid on Mosad having a hand in whatever has happened. It will be really interesting to find out the actual circumstances when "the fog" clears.

Even more interesting is how the Supreme Leader reacts.

Standard anti-Israel conspiracy theory. Thoughts on 9/11, perhaps? Please share.

[artee]

Originally Posted by MissChief

Standard anti-Israel conspiracy theory. Thoughts on 9/11, perhaps? Please share.

That was Mossad also. Do keep up!