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Old 19th May 2024, 19:57
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For henra: you nailed that one.
For a few others:
We can do without the conspiracy theories.
The reference to the Kobe Bryant crash, and the many-times-told-story of "higher ups pushed the aircrew to go on and the aircrew did not/could not push back", fit with Occam's Razor pretty well.
Go back a few months; a CH-53 in California pressed on (my guess is a case of get-home-itis) and two other crews did not. Discussed on Military Aviation forum as news came out. The crew who pressed on entered foul weather in mountainous terrain and crashed.
I didn't see anyone mention foreign agents involved in that one.

Not every aircraft commander has the backbone, or good sense, or combination of both demonstrated by the one @charliegolf mentioned in his post.

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Old 19th May 2024, 19:59
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Originally Posted by countertorque
Was this a Bell 412? If so how are they able to keep this type serviceable?
Backward engineering, produce your own spares or smuggle them in through third party counties and people.
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These pre-revolution machines?


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A Sligo firm MacAviation were charged with trying to sell 17 helicopter engines to Iran in 2009
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Old 19th May 2024, 20:38
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
The information released can't be relied on. If I was a betting man I would put a couple of quid on Mosad having a hand in whatever has happened. It will be really interesting to find out the actual circumstances when "the fog" clears.

Even more interesting is how the Supreme Leader reacts.
I can’t see it being Isreal. Too much risk, and precedent setting.

I would put my money on the IRGC or Quds force making a play for a semi coup. To install their own president.

then again it could also just have been an accident.
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Old 19th May 2024, 21:00
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Iran are wheeling out the military across the country to try and keep a lid on it, in the meantime some obviously heartbroken and grieving citizens have been seen launching fireworks in mourning ermmmm Celebration.

​​​​​​​https://x.com/dom_lucre/status/1792249528529084675
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Old 19th May 2024, 21:37
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Never attribute to conspiracy that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.
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Old 19th May 2024, 21:37
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
If I was a betting man I would put a couple of quid on Mossad having a hand in whatever has happened.
I think it's a bit premature to rule out a simple mechanical failure. The reported "hard landing" could well have been an autorotation not handled very well.
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Old 19th May 2024, 22:35
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Mechanical failure ! That's hilarious!
Brutal amoral dictatorial bigwig on board, subservient dupes flying, atrocious weather, terrain, unbreakable schedule - yet people still witter on about mechanical failure.

I ask you!

Good riddance to VERY bad rubbish. Insh'allah.

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Old 19th May 2024, 23:11
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo
Mechanical failure ! That's hilarious!
Brutal amoral dictatorial bigwig on board, subservient dupes flying, atrocious weather, unbreakable schedule - yet people still witter on about mechanical failure.

I ask you!

Good riddance to VERY bad rubbish. Insh'allah.
Agree 110%..
I only wish the Supreme Leader has been onboard too, they could all have gone to see Allah together..
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Old 19th May 2024, 23:24
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Originally Posted by Sea Plane Driver
Agree 110%..
I only wish the Supreme Leader has been onboard too, they could all have gone to see Allah together..

As for heading off to Heaven, he appears to have been going in the wrong direction….
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Old 20th May 2024, 01:51
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I've often wondered how they keep their F-14s going
Interesting doco investigating just that a while ago, agents in the US were buying up F-14 components that the military had put up for sale to the public. Left hand not knowing what the right was doing.
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Old 20th May 2024, 02:33
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From BBC:

Search teams have found the crash site of the helicopter carrying President Ebrahim Raisi, state TV says.The head of Iran's Red Crescent society has told state TV that the situation is not "good".
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Iranian President Helicopter CrashHelicopter Carrying Iran’s President Is Found, State Media Reports

The helicopter crashed in the country’s mountainous northwest on Sunday. Search and rescue teams scoured dense forest through rain and fog.
(From New York Times)

Another online source says “No signs of life.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/official-...023159433.html

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Coincidence?

Of course there is unlikely to be any proof that Mossad will have had any involvement but, my word the timing is suspicious. Accidents happen in aviation and I can well believe it was a genuine accident for whatever reason but this is going to make the cogs of conspiracy whirr.

For the record, because I know how people like to twist words on here, I don’t believe it was Mossad, I don’t want it to have been Mossad and I have precisely zero love for the regime of Iran.

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Old 20th May 2024, 04:53
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Was this a Bell 412
​​​​​​​From the photos I've seen, not enough blades - probably a Bell 214.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-...rigin=BBCS_BBC
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Old 20th May 2024, 05:34
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Iranian helicopter crash

It is being reported that a helicopter has crashed in Iran killing all on board.

Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi and foreign minister killed in helicopter crash - ABC News

The photo is definetly not a B212 as claimed!

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Old 20th May 2024, 05:53
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Bell 205. A straightforward CFIT, why a conspiracy? A helicopter flying in mountainous terrain in fog/low cloud? Doh!
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Old 20th May 2024, 05:57
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Originally Posted by reynoldsno1
From the photos I've seen, not enough blades - probably a Bell 214.
I saw somewhere a purported list of the three aircraft used for the trip. They were all the same type and were 49-52 years old, is all I can recall.

I got the impression that they were basically Hueys but I am no helicopter expert.

EDIT:
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/388106
The helicopter that flew President Raisi is a "Bell 412" (6-9221)

EDIT2::
"
introduction in 1979"
So not so old.
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