Westland 30: threads merged
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I believe some of the Pawan Hans machinery did return to the Uk..Danny Wilson at Redhill had a finger in the pie but no support from Westland and Rolls meant CAA not interested and aircraft last heard of in Sussex barn.Also heard Pawan Hans didn't get the promised cheque for the rest.
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From: Abingdon uk
Westland 30
Saw this on a business for sale web site - price seems a bit steep for ex MOD !
14 x Westland 30 helicopters, Ex-MOD, supplied with complete rebuild/ overhaul from air-frame upwards to CAA certified. All engines less than 1000 hours, new gearboxes. Includes £56m of spares and five years rotational, also engineer and pilot training. Are compatible to fly in any conditions. £100m or wet lease arrangements available on a minimum 5 years contract.
richard
14 x Westland 30 helicopters, Ex-MOD, supplied with complete rebuild/ overhaul from air-frame upwards to CAA certified. All engines less than 1000 hours, new gearboxes. Includes £56m of spares and five years rotational, also engineer and pilot training. Are compatible to fly in any conditions. £100m or wet lease arrangements available on a minimum 5 years contract.
richard
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From: Somerset
price seems a bit steep for ex MOD
I suggest caution.

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When they say 'Westland 30', do they mean Lynx?
I thought that the W30 was the disastrous civi version from the '80s.
I can't imagine that there are still 14 around, let alone that anybody would want to pay £100m for them!
I thought that the W30 was the disastrous civi version from the '80s.
I can't imagine that there are still 14 around, let alone that anybody would want to pay £100m for them!
Hovering AND talking

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From: Propping up bars in the Lands of D H Lawrence and Bishop Bonner
Let's see .... I have a spare £7.14m; what helicopter should I buy? W30 or .... tricky decision!! Even if you take out the value of the spares package, they are still coming in at £3.1 million.
Is_this_the_kiddie?
Cheers
Whirls
Is_this_the_kiddie?
Cheers
Whirls
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Lost Again, as the (by definition Civil, never Military) Wobbly 30 has surely been dead and grounded - thank heaven, these last 20 years or so, perhaps you could publish the link to this event, if only to allay the nerves of the more sensitive Rotary brethren here.
Sale sounds highly unlikely to me, use sounds like pie in the sky - Martian sky, that is.
100 Million? You jest. They wouldn't be worth that in Zim Dollars for scrap!
Sale sounds highly unlikely to me, use sounds like pie in the sky - Martian sky, that is.
100 Million? You jest. They wouldn't be worth that in Zim Dollars for scrap!
There are no limits
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From: Shrewsbury, England.
For God and Allahs sake, 'Run for your lives'
Do not touch anything that says WG13, WG30, Lynx or anything even remotely associated with these types.
I know, I had 1200 hours in them.
Do not touch anything that says WG13, WG30, Lynx or anything even remotely associated with these types.
I know, I had 1200 hours in them.
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From: Canada
But look at the price!:
"Price: $1,234
BRIEF DESCRIPTION
1984- 14 West Land 30 Helicopters available for sale or wet lease (W/O Crew).Contact for details
AD DETAILS
14 x Westland 30 helicopters, Ex-MOD, supplied with complete rebuild/overhaul from air-frame upwards to CAA certified. All engines less than 1000 hours, new gearboxes. Includes list of over 2 million spares and 5 years rotational, also engineer and pilot training. Are compatible to fly in any conditions. OIRO - Sale or wet lease arrangements available. "
Just call the number in Pakistan...
"Price: $1,234
BRIEF DESCRIPTION
1984- 14 West Land 30 Helicopters available for sale or wet lease (W/O Crew).Contact for details
AD DETAILS
14 x Westland 30 helicopters, Ex-MOD, supplied with complete rebuild/overhaul from air-frame upwards to CAA certified. All engines less than 1000 hours, new gearboxes. Includes list of over 2 million spares and 5 years rotational, also engineer and pilot training. Are compatible to fly in any conditions. OIRO - Sale or wet lease arrangements available. "
Just call the number in Pakistan...


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From: Richard Burtonville, South Wales.
Suggestions were invited for the model name for the WG 30 (a possible military buy at the time), preferrably following in the 'w' tradition. Like Wessex, Whirlwind, and even Wapiti!
A grumpy jock pilot on 230 (Puma) Sqn at the time proposed 'Wardrobe'.
When asked why, he said, "Cos when you load the heap of sh!t up, you can't move the fu@@@r"
CG
A grumpy jock pilot on 230 (Puma) Sqn at the time proposed 'Wardrobe'.
When asked why, he said, "Cos when you load the heap of sh!t up, you can't move the fu@@@r"
CG
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From: Abingdon uk
And the web site is ..........
Link to sale.
The info I posted was just a copy and paste.
If I have been a naughty boy by posting this please remove it - mind you if they sell for 100m because it was seen on Pprune I am sure they would pay a commision - I would !
Regards
Richard
The info I posted was just a copy and paste.
If I have been a naughty boy by posting this please remove it - mind you if they sell for 100m because it was seen on Pprune I am sure they would pay a commision - I would !
Regards
Richard
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From: Philadelphia PA
The civil Westland 30 type certificate was withdrawn a number of years ago, so even if these were the legitimate ex-Pawan Hans machines, you couldn't fly 'em except on a permit.
Unless something has changed that I don't know about (which is very possible)
Unless something has changed that I don't know about (which is very possible)
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From: Indianapolis, IN, USA
Not a bad mark-up, given that they were sold as scrap for less than ₤1M back in 2000. 
Indian Westland 30s sold back to UK for scrap value

Indian Westland 30s sold back to UK for scrap value

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From: Beyond the black stump!
I think the W stood for Wanky. 
This helicopter could be the cover picture for the next edition of "The Worlds Worst Aircraft".
If these clapped out old piles of corrosion are worth ₤100M, then those old Wessex that were for sale must be worth at least ₤60M!
There are few aviation products in history that have had their Certificate of Airworthiness revoked at the request of the manufacturer. A sad page in the history of helicopters!

This helicopter could be the cover picture for the next edition of "The Worlds Worst Aircraft".
If these clapped out old piles of corrosion are worth ₤100M, then those old Wessex that were for sale must be worth at least ₤60M!
There are few aviation products in history that have had their Certificate of Airworthiness revoked at the request of the manufacturer. A sad page in the history of helicopters!
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From: ...in view of the 'Southern Cross' ...
Mmmmmmm .....
The best thing that could happen to these little "Beauties" is that someone drive a D9 Cat thru/over them!




Oh ... if a D9 is not available a D5 would do .......
The best thing that could happen to these little "Beauties" is that someone drive a D9 Cat thru/over them!




Oh ... if a D9 is not available a D5 would do .......
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From: UK
Don't be so cruel...the W30 had an excellent cabin size but Westland tried to do it on the cheap by using the Lynx dynamics .The final W30-300 with an uprated gearbox ,five blade BERP rotor and T700 engines could have been a winner but was too late and by then the company was almost broke .
Incidentally the aircraft in the UK are only part of the ex-Pawan Hans fleet...the story is they renaged on the payments and PH stopped any more being shipped.All the aircraft are really now completely worthless,unless you are looking for Gem engines to power your tractor/speed boat.Even as Lynx dynamic spares they must be beyond redemption.
The real problem is some innocent coming along and thinking there is a bargain to be had ,and the whole saga repeating itself !
Incidentally the aircraft in the UK are only part of the ex-Pawan Hans fleet...the story is they renaged on the payments and PH stopped any more being shipped.All the aircraft are really now completely worthless,unless you are looking for Gem engines to power your tractor/speed boat.Even as Lynx dynamic spares they must be beyond redemption.
The real problem is some innocent coming along and thinking there is a bargain to be had ,and the whole saga repeating itself !
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From: Europe trying to enjoy retirement “YES”
Without trawling through the rest of the posts and apologies if it’s already been said. The wobbly 30 as I remember from the extremely short exposure at what was then BA Helicopters down south in the depths of cuds vill UK.
Reasonably well accepted by the crews and customer, never supported properly by Rolls Royce, fitted with the Gem 30 with inherent problems and limited replacement engines available. Never really supported by Westland inherent airframe cracking of the main frames, needing manufactures work teams on site to rectify, very limited fuel capacity and grunt. Had a commitment ever been made by Westland to bring in the promise and develop the Wobbly 60 with the added range larger cabin and grunt with the Gem 60 or similar, avionic upgrades and a commitment to support, we may indeed have had an AW 139 type back then.
The Indians never seemed to understand the technicalities of the Acc drive system???
Standing by to be shot down in flames
outhouse
Reasonably well accepted by the crews and customer, never supported properly by Rolls Royce, fitted with the Gem 30 with inherent problems and limited replacement engines available. Never really supported by Westland inherent airframe cracking of the main frames, needing manufactures work teams on site to rectify, very limited fuel capacity and grunt. Had a commitment ever been made by Westland to bring in the promise and develop the Wobbly 60 with the added range larger cabin and grunt with the Gem 60 or similar, avionic upgrades and a commitment to support, we may indeed have had an AW 139 type back then.
The Indians never seemed to understand the technicalities of the Acc drive system???
Standing by to be shot down in flames
outhouse



