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Old 12th Jun 2007, 15:15
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I believe some of the Pawan Hans machinery did return to the Uk..Danny Wilson at Redhill had a finger in the pie but no support from Westland and Rolls meant CAA not interested and aircraft last heard of in Sussex barn.Also heard Pawan Hans didn't get the promised cheque for the rest.
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Old 16th Apr 2008, 18:19
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Westland 30

Saw this on a business for sale web site - price seems a bit steep for ex MOD !

14 x Westland 30 helicopters, Ex-MOD, supplied with complete rebuild/ overhaul from air-frame upwards to CAA certified. All engines less than 1000 hours, new gearboxes. Includes £56m of spares and five years rotational, also engineer and pilot training. Are compatible to fly in any conditions. £100m or wet lease arrangements available on a minimum 5 years contract.

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Old 16th Apr 2008, 19:00
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price seems a bit steep for ex MOD
They are not ex MOD. The MOD never purchased the WG30. The only organisation who purchased the WG30 in any large number was an Indian Company, and they wer probably purchased with support from the UK Government.

I suggest caution.
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Old 16th Apr 2008, 19:01
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When they say 'Westland 30', do they mean Lynx?

I thought that the W30 was the disastrous civi version from the '80s. I can't imagine that there are still 14 around, let alone that anybody would want to pay £100m for them!
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Old 16th Apr 2008, 19:18
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Let's see .... I have a spare £7.14m; what helicopter should I buy? W30 or .... tricky decision!! Even if you take out the value of the spares package, they are still coming in at £3.1 million.

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Old 16th Apr 2008, 19:19
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the were bought by someone near gatwick ex pawan hands they refused to fly them anymore after a few accidents AFAIK
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Old 16th Apr 2008, 19:46
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Crikey looks like the prototype for the AW139 but 30 years earlier !!
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Old 16th Apr 2008, 20:51
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For God and Allahs sake, 'Run for your lives'

Do not touch anything that says WG13, WG30, Lynx or anything even remotely associated with these types.

I know, I had 1200 hours in them.
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Old 16th Apr 2008, 20:57
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But look at the price!:

"Price: $1,234

BRIEF DESCRIPTION
1984- 14 West Land 30 Helicopters available for sale or wet lease (W/O Crew).Contact for details

AD DETAILS
14 x Westland 30 helicopters, Ex-MOD, supplied with complete rebuild/overhaul from air-frame upwards to CAA certified. All engines less than 1000 hours, new gearboxes. Includes list of over 2 million spares and 5 years rotational, also engineer and pilot training. Are compatible to fly in any conditions. OIRO - Sale or wet lease arrangements available.
"

Just call the number in Pakistan...
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Old 16th Apr 2008, 21:07
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Suggestions were invited for the model name for the WG 30 (a possible military buy at the time), preferrably following in the 'w' tradition. Like Wessex, Whirlwind, and even Wapiti!

A grumpy jock pilot on 230 (Puma) Sqn at the time proposed 'Wardrobe'.

When asked why, he said, "Cos when you load the heap of sh!t up, you can't move the [email protected]@@r"

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Old 16th Apr 2008, 21:32
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And the web site is ..........

Link to sale.

The info I posted was just a copy and paste.

If I have been a naughty boy by posting this please remove it - mind you if they sell for 100m because it was seen on PPRuNe I am sure they would pay a commision - I would !

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Old 16th Apr 2008, 22:36
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The civil Westland 30 type certificate was withdrawn a number of years ago, so even if these were the legitimate ex-Pawan Hans machines, you couldn't fly 'em except on a permit.
Unless something has changed that I don't know about (which is very possible)
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Old 17th Apr 2008, 00:06
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Not a bad mark-up, given that they were sold as scrap for less than ₤1M back in 2000.

Indian Westland 30s sold back to UK for scrap value
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Old 17th Apr 2008, 01:18
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I think the W stood for Wanky.

This helicopter could be the cover picture for the next edition of "The Worlds Worst Aircraft".

If these clapped out old piles of corrosion are worth ₤100M, then those old Wessex that were for sale must be worth at least ₤60M!

There are few aviation products in history that have had their Certificate of Airworthiness revoked at the request of the manufacturer. A sad page in the history of helicopters!
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Old 17th Apr 2008, 03:06
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Mmmmmmm .....

The best thing that could happen to these little "Beauties" is that someone drive a D9 Cat thru/over them!



Oh ... if a D9 is not available a D5 would do .......
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Old 17th Apr 2008, 07:03
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I saw a bunch of them a couple of years back at Juhu Airport Mumbai behind the hangar covered in dust (at Pawar Hans ?).

Most expensive chicken sheds ever produced.
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Old 17th Apr 2008, 07:43
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Don't be so cruel...the W30 had an excellent cabin size but Westland tried to do it on the cheap by using the Lynx dynamics .The final W30-300 with an uprated gearbox ,five blade BERP rotor and T700 engines could have been a winner but was too late and by then the company was almost broke .

Incidentally the aircraft in the UK are only part of the ex-Pawan Hans fleet...the story is they renaged on the payments and PH stopped any more being shipped.All the aircraft are really now completely worthless,unless you are looking for Gem engines to power your tractor/speed boat.Even as Lynx dynamic spares they must be beyond redemption.

The real problem is some innocent coming along and thinking there is a bargain to be had ,and the whole saga repeating itself !
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Old 17th Apr 2008, 08:21
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Lick of paint, some fancy new stickers - Future Lynx problem sold to the man in the clown mask and at a bargain price
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Old 17th Apr 2008, 13:49
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Without trawling through the rest of the posts and apologies if it’s already been said. The wobbly 30 as I remember from the extremely short exposure at what was then BA Helicopters down south in the depths of cuds vill UK.
Reasonably well accepted by the crews and customer, never supported properly by Rolls Royce, fitted with the Gem 30 with inherent problems and limited replacement engines available. Never really supported by Westland inherent airframe cracking of the main frames, needing manufactures work teams on site to rectify, very limited fuel capacity and grunt. Had a commitment ever been made by Westland to bring in the promise and develop the Wobbly 60 with the added range larger cabin and grunt with the Gem 60 or similar, avionic upgrades and a commitment to support, we may indeed have had an AW 139 type back then.
The Indians never seemed to understand the technicalities of the Acc drive system???

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Old 17th Apr 2008, 20:36
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S'funny how things come around in 7 year cycles...I see we discussed this in August of the year 2000!
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