Vegas helicopter crash
Which would appear to be the configuration in this incident, as the news reports are saying 8 on board. Edit - I now see conflicting accounts, so who knows!
Last edited by 212man; 29th Dec 2022 at 12:28.
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N835GC second of three ship charter , was hover taxing along Taxiway at about 1.5m above ground, as it approached a small asphalt road to head into apron area it started to yaw to the left 10m prior to the road , suggesting maybe not pilot induced. The first 90deg of yaw was slow then it become quick and the aircraft pitched around. About 3.5 revolutions it hit the ground still rotating.
N835GC second of three ship charter , was hover taxing along Taxiway at about 1.5m above ground, as it approached a small asphalt road to head into apron area it started to yaw to the left 10m prior to the road , suggesting maybe not pilot induced. The first 90deg of yaw was slow then it become quick and the aircraft pitched around. About 3.5 revolutions it hit the ground still rotating.
I have not flown them, only a regular AS350 which as we all know has no issues with tail rotor---until they get stuck....
I happen to know that all the older Papillon AS350 machines were retrofitted, I assume they would have done the same on the 130's or bought the newer ones. I attended a briefing given by their DO that described the whole process.
As a company, they are extremely pre-active in safety.
I happen to know that all the older Papillon AS350 machines were retrofitted, I assume they would have done the same on the 130's or bought the newer ones. I attended a briefing given by their DO that described the whole process.
As a company, they are extremely pre-active in safety.
Certainly not installed on earlier model EC130's. Machines produced from 1999 to 2012 have the good ol poly fuel tank that was installed on the 350 series since the 80's. They tend to rupture easily with a hard landing.
Most of the tour 130's in Vegas have been retrofitted or are newer models with CWFS.
Most of the tour 130's in Vegas have been retrofitted or are newer models with CWFS.
The AS350/EC130, is not being delivered anymore without the CRFS installed.
As the comment to hard landing and rupture, I think very few accidents with the tank being ruptured would be passed off as a hard landing....
Albatross,
The ''throttle'' is on the collective in the EC130, and is simply a twist grip to select IDLE or FLIGHT
Papillion retrofitted all their AS350's and EC130's as a direct result of the last fatal crash they had in Feb 2018 involving a EC130B4. This work was completed in August 2019.
As the comment to hard landing and rupture, I think very few accidents with the tank being ruptured would be passed off as a hard landing....
Albatross,
As the comment to hard landing and rupture, I think very few accidents with the tank being ruptured would be passed off as a hard landing....
Albatross,
Nubian
Thanks for the information. I was just curious as I have never even been close to one. Spent a lot of time in Astars and Twinstars so was wondering about the throttle location in the EC130.
I made no comment re fuel tanks.
Thanks for the information. I was just curious as I have never even been close to one. Spent a lot of time in Astars and Twinstars so was wondering about the throttle location in the EC130.
I made no comment re fuel tanks.
Papillion retrofitted all their AS350's and EC130's as a direct result of the last fatal crash they had in Feb 2018 involving a EC130B4. This work was completed in August 2019.
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Albatross,
The ''throttle'' is on the collective in the EC130, and is simply a twist grip to select IDLE or FLIGHT
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Albatross,
The ''throttle'' is on the collective in the EC130, and is simply a twist grip to select IDLE or FLIGHT
As I vaguely recall the throttle on collective was the result of a large potential sale in the early 1980s of As-350s to the Australian military who insisted upon it or “ Sorry Mate! No sale! “
Last edited by albatross; 30th Dec 2022 at 21:30.
As I vaguely recall the throttle on collective was the result of a large potential sale in the early 1980s of As-350s to the Australian military who insisted upon it or “ Sorry Mate! No sale! “
Didn't the Aussies reject them in the end due to hyd-off handling qualities in the hover?
The DHFS ones, 350BBs also had collective mounted throttles.
The DHFS ones, 350BBs also had collective mounted throttles.
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Bearing in mind that the engine was mechanically connected directly to the main rotor gearbox through a centrifugal clutch and was constant speed in flight, there wasn’t quite so much point in having it on the collective anyway, unlike with a power turbine type of engine.
Bearing in mind that the engine was mechanically connected directly to the main rotor gearbox through a centrifugal clutch and was constant speed in flight, there wasn’t quite so much point in having it on the collective anyway, unlike with a power turbine type of engine.
The only difference is that on a free power turbine the datum maintained is usually Nf while on the fixed spool engine the datum is Ng - other than that the fuel flow is still altered to maintain that datum with the capability of a manual over-ride in case of malfunction.
It's certainly not as easy with a roof mounted throttle as it is with a collective mounted one though.
Last edited by Nubian; 31st Dec 2022 at 14:30.