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Old 14th Oct 2021, 15:05
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A UFO in the radalt?

I'll apologise in advance for this post. It's the only place I can think of where I might get an intelligent answer...

I have a guilty pleasure in watching "The Curse of Skinwalker Ranch". For those fortunate people who are unfamiliar with this location/series the Utah ranch in question, formerly owned by Robert Bigelow, is the site of numerous unexplained events including UFO/UAP sightings. For some decades Bigelow and a US government entity were engaged in an investigation there, now taken over by another investor.

I'll spare you an account of the preceding events but a decision was made to use the owner's helicopter to conduct measurements of various parameters - unexpected EMF and gamma ray readings etc - at various altitudes above a target location where bizarre events, some measurable, like magnetic anomalies, had taken place. This involved flying a roughly circular, tight track at a set of target altitudes - say 5000 and 10,000 ft above sea level. The ranch is, as far as I recall (?), situated at about 4000 ft amsl. Initially at about 5000 ft the radalt started emitting a warning bleep and read in the range 45-55 ft agl. This was persistent but occasionally stopped (they didn't as far as I recall, show the indicated altitude coincident with the warning's cessation).

Attempting to proceed to the 10K level, where in previous experiments various anomalies had been witnessed, this alert became very persistent, sometimes reading as low as 35 ft agl. The pilot became unsettled by this as the warning persisted whilst maneuvering and so they aborted the tests. The radalt, according to the pilot, had never before exhibited this or any other anomalous effect. There was no information - in the series at least - about any follow-up tests to clarify the status of the instrument: which, unfortunately, is almost a defining characteristic of the series. Ground observers with binoculars were unable to see any other vehicle - drones etc - which might have triggered the warning.

So, to those who know, how would you rate this effect on the "strangeness" scale? Or put another way, can you think of any circumstances (other then the Sod's Law effect) which might contribute such a phenomenon?
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 16:06
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I'd get that dodgy RadAlt sorted.

In mapping UFO sightings, you’ll see a positive correlation between low levels of education/IQs and higher levels of UFO sightings.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 16:19
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Hmm, tricky decision when the rad alt starts to misbehave - do you :

A. Check the connections, the T/R and the aerial or

B. Assume it is alien interference.................

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Old 14th Oct 2021, 16:49
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Lest it be misunderstood, the program is predominantly nonsensical with a few interesting oddities. That said, Robert Bigelow spent a lot of money and 20 years investigating the place in conjunction with a US government department; as far as I know a summary of the investigation has never been published. Odd, that. My question is simply what kind of fault would explain a malfunction like this, previously not manifest and apparently non-reproduceable at other locations? I know plenty about the irritating nature of intermittent faults from substantial experience of technology in a number of fields and I'm interested to know if faults of this kind in radalts are familiar? I've seen plenty of idiotic misinterpretations in this series (the chief scientist has a doctorate in astrophysics and consults for NASA...) so I'd like to know if there's a likely terrestrial explanation other than "technology sometimes malfunctions": I've already figured that out.

Some of the measured anomalies involve extreme shifts in the terrestrial magnetic field and spikes in gamma radiation way above background. I was wondering if the radalt system was susceptible to those kind of variations. Assuming, of course, all the metering instruments involved (tri-field meters, radiation detectors, analogue and digital compasses, magnetometers etc) aren't also exhibiting random bugs.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 16:54
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
Hmm, tricky decision when the rad alt starts to misbehave - do you :

A. Check the connections, the T/R and the aerial or

B. Assume it is alien interference.................
Could also be Angels ...or Ghosts. Americans see a lot of both.

I've ruled out Yetis, due to the altitude involved.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 17:06
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Interesting that all anyone can respond with is hilarious jokes about Yetis etc. Try reading the actual question rather than reacting reflexively to key words...I obviously overestimated the probable intelligence of contributors.
Let's leave it at that.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 17:11
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What were the design/cleared limits of the radalt? Could it be outside it’s cleared height range and catching spurious returns. Or just U/S.

Nah, must be UFOs.

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Old 14th Oct 2021, 17:45
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I have flown a lot of survey towing a bird and using radalt to maintain AGL and can say that sometimes they do strange things usually solved by trouble shooting the antenna and wiring to the instrument.
On another job when approaching a certain airport we would usually get a false radalt warning for a few seconds on long final. We were flying over flat jungle terrain. We looked and looked but couldn’t find anything that would trigger a warning. We were at about 500 agl over the spot and radalt was set to 150. We used to refer to it as the “Tall Tree Checkpoint”
I have also seen radalt start painting the sea floor and not the water surface. Usually over shallow, clear glassy water over a flat sandy bottom with no swell.

In the case above I can see no reason why the pilot would become “Unsettled” and abort the flight because of an erroneous radalt warning while in VMC conditions.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 22:55
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Its definitely a cloaked UFO with a force field around it. I was flying an old Cessna once and ATC told me I had a radar return following me less than 100 feet from me. That was definitely a UFO too. Just because I had an analog transponder that when reset had the echo return disappear does not discount the likelihood it was a UFO and not dodgy electronics!
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 00:45
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What are the possibilities that poor or faulty EMC protection allows interference on the RadAlt and/or gamma detector?

Other clue could be to look for an old stainless steel car on the ground.
Those pesky flux capacitors radiate a lot over all bandwidths!
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 01:26
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I had a Rad Alt set off the height alarm when at 37000 as a DC9 flew under us.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 04:23
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It's them evil 5G towers.

Not only do they cause Covid-19 but the spectrum they employ encroaches into aircraft radalt frequencies.

Plenty of fresh papers on the subject around and the risk is actively being managed, a quick search found a simple reference.
https://www.aviationtoday.com/2021/0...sues-aircraft/
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 10:10
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Aren’t these the genre of tv programmes that would have us believe that extraterrestrials travelled to the peoples living deep in the South American jungle 5,000 yrs ago, built some pyramids, then left to return during the early 13th Century when they used [email protected] to cut stones in perfect lines assisting the Inca masons to build more temples and settlements; then finally left leaving no other signs whatsoever of their visit… or anything to help advance their ‘development’… or technology to protect them from the Spanish?

Would these also be the programmes that tell us the same extraterrestrials visited the ancient Egyptians, built some pyramids in the desert at a time thousands of years before Cairo appeared and again left leaving no other signs of their visit?

4,500 yrs later humans developed the industry and technology enabling us to go from the first powered flight to the first landing on Mars in a mere 68 years (1903-1971) primarily, as the story goes, by a 9 year old James Watt watching his Auntie’s kettle boil back in 1745.

Just imagine what we would have been capable of if those same extraterrestrials had visited the developing civilisations elsewhere in the world at the same times and given us a little more knowledge than a few stone buildings and the odd light show!

To answer the question,
So, to those who know, how would you rate this effect on the "strangeness" scale? Or put another way, can you think of any circumstances (other then the Sod's Law effect) which might contribute such a phenomenon?
a. -
b. Rad Alts & wiggly~amps doing their ‘thing’.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 10:59
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Interesting that all anyone can respond with is hilarious jokes about Yetis etc. Try reading the actual question rather than reacting reflexively to key words...I obviously overestimated the probable intelligence of contributors.
Let's leave it at that.
I think we call that flouncing out of the room......
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 12:36
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Originally Posted by albatross View Post
In the case above I can see no reason why the pilot would become “Unsettled” and abort the flight because of an erroneous radalt warning while in VMC conditions.
Because ignoring it would make for very dull TV.
Unless of course he was in a Robbie, but then he would have been unsettled from the beginning
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 12:50
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Interesting that all anyone can respond with is hilarious jokes about Yetis etc. Try reading the actual question rather than reacting reflexively to key words...I obviously overestimated the probable intelligence of contributors.
Let's leave it at that.
The question was
So, to those who know, how would you rate this effect on the "strangeness" scale?


Before answering the question I’d hazard a guess that posters have read the post…
‘The ranch is at 4,000’ elevation with the aircraft climbing above altitude 5,000’ looking for 10,000’, the radalt intermittently then persistently indicating 35’, which unsettled the pilot flying the ranch owners aircraft.’

One of maybe these options?
a. Rad Alts & wiggly~amps doing their ‘thing’.
b. Pilot not in full control of the aircraft.
c. Persistent ‘buzzing’ by another aircraft.
d. Extraterrestrial activity.
e. A good story to attract a tourist industry.
f. A story to attract a second documentary.

Perhaps it’s the way the post was written, containing a mixture altitudes, elevations and heights - I don’t think it’s the contributors that have that overestimated intelligence probability.
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In the case above I can see no reason why the pilot would become “Unsettled” and abort the flight because of an erroneous radalt warning while in VMC conditions.
Because this genre of programme is based on artificially created suspense and drama! Just watch a clip on Youtube and looks garbage.

The OP might have had a more sensible response if teh thread didn't have UFO in the title!
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 14:26
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Per the OP's request, we should keep this scientific.

Would anyone have data of a RadAlt overflying a location with a Sasquatch below the aircraft; then a second flight (over same area) without Sasquatch. We must have proper test and control groups.
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Originally Posted by RMK View Post
Per the OP's request, we should keep this scientific.

Would anyone have data of a RadAlt overflying a location with a Sasquatch below the aircraft; then a second flight (over same area) without Sasquatch. We must have proper test and control groups.
Does the said sasquatch have a 5G mobile phone?
Is he wearing a tinfoil hat? (Can interfere with all the electromagnetical fairies)
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 14:52
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Its a very long time since I did my Radar maintenance course, ( and it wasn't RadAlt's) but... I thought Radar Altimeters were usually specified for low altitudes say less than 2,500ft. So if operating at 5000 or 10,000ft then isn't it possible you would see false echo's that would appear to be much closet than they actually are. First transmit pulse echo would appear in the quite time of the 2nd or 3rd transmit pulse and be interpreted as much closer distance ?


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