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Old 11th Mar 2021, 16:07
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Originally Posted by tu154 View Post
Does TUPE apply when you buy a company?
Yes, it should. It applies to change of ownership or change of service provider.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 16:12
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Originally Posted by 212man View Post
Yes, it should. It applies to change of ownership or change of service provider.
Using the old Google there I would agree..


https://www.stirling-uk.com/business...e-regulations/

TUPE does not apply when the business transfer occurs by:-
  • share takeover
  • transfers of assets only without the business (e.g. sale of plant and equipment alone)
  • supply of goods or services for clients own use (i.e. no business transfer)
  • transfer outside the UK (check legislation of destination country)
  • some bankruptcy and insolvency situations
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 16:24
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Originally Posted by Mitchaa View Post
Using the old Google there I would agree..


https://www.stirling-uk.com/business...e-regulations/

TUPE does not apply when the business transfer occurs by:-
  • share takeover
  • transfers of assets only without the business (e.g. sale of plant and equipment alone)
  • supply of goods or services for clients own use (i.e. no business transfer)
  • transfer outside the UK (check legislation of destination country)
  • some bankruptcy and insolvency situations
Transfer outside the UK, isnt it CHC LLC buying it?

TUPE seems to apply when they want it to apply, seems like a dark art...
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 16:45
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TUPE seems to apply when they want it to apply, seems like a dark art...
No denying that!
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 17:02
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Originally Posted by helicrazi View Post
TUPE seems to apply when they want it to apply, seems like a dark art...
Exactly. It seems to be down to one side or the other deciding whether to contest it or not, and paying the associated costs.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 17:15
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Originally Posted by helicrazi View Post
Transfer outside the UK, isnt it CHC LLC buying it?

TUPE seems to apply when they want it to apply, seems like a dark art...
Good point.

CHC have thinned out a lot of staff and costs recently and I really can’t see them taking on 500 additional employees to support an additional 30 aircraft to bloat the company again. I doubt they will take on even half that amount. If they can get away without TUPE then I’m sure they will.

Be interesting to see how this pans out.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 18:32
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A full takeover of one business by another is one of the clearest applications of TUPE. It is at the pure core of TUPE. I would be totally shocked if TUPE didn't come into play here.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 19:34
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Originally Posted by Variable Load View Post
A full takeover of one business by another is one of the clearest applications of TUPE. It is at the pure core of TUPE. I would be totally shocked if TUPE didn't come into play here.
As highlighted above though it’s CHC Group and not CHC Scotia so if it’s an American acquisition of a U.K. company then they perhaps wouldn’t need to honour TUPE? That may just be word semantics to be fair. (CHC Group vs CHC Scotia)

I’m sure this will be one of the very first questions asked once more details are known though.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 19:48
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Originally Posted by Mitchaa View Post
And hopefully the “new CHC” grabs TOTAL by the balls and significantly increases their pricing and gets the market heading back in the right direction again.

I guess Babcock onshore will still exist and also any SAR work, this is merely its offshore division.
Not True. The deal with CHC includes Oil & Gas SAR.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 20:41
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Originally Posted by The Witret View Post
Not True. The deal with CHC includes Oil & Gas SAR.
Yes I believe 2 x AW139 in Aberdeen.

Not sure what Babcock’s Australian fleet consists of? Is it SAR/EMS or Offshore? I’m guessing 92/139?
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 20:42
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Originally Posted by Mitchaa View Post
Yes I believe 2 x AW139 in Aberdeen.
Indeed....
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 22:04
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I think Babcock Australia will also include the H175s they have operating up in the Timor Sea.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 23:04
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Australian fleet is 10 machines:

2 x EC175B
2 x S-92A
6 x AW139s
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 00:04
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Originally Posted by rrekn View Post
Australian fleet is 10 machines:

2 x EC175B
2 x S-92A
6 x AW139s
And CHC’s contribution. (“On contract” machines)
2 x S-92
2 x AW139
2 x AW189
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 02:41
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Originally Posted by Twist & Shout View Post
And CHC’s contribution. (“On contract” machines)
2 x S-92
2 x AW139
2 x AW189
Don’t forget the RAAF SAR 139’s
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 09:19
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Thanks Ned. I thought they had some contracts in Africa
Yes, they have. Mozambique. Used to have Ghana as well but not sure they still do.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 09:32
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Originally Posted by SNI View Post
Yes, they have. Mozambique. Used to have Ghana as well but not sure they still do.
Those are Babcock Italia contracts. Nothing to do with Babcock Offshore/MCSOff.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 11:37
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Originally Posted by Evil Twin View Post
Don’t forget the RAAF SAR 139’s
Quite right.
I was just comparing Babcock Off Shore machines with CHC Off Shore machines.

It seems the Babcock OS fleet will be added to the CHC OS fleet, and the CHC onshore - as you point out.
RAAF SAR AW139s
A Navy SAR AW139?
An EMS B412 in WA
Did they have a B412 with the Army in Darwin?

They, the new CHC/Babcock entity, will:
Dominate OS in OZ, at least for a little while.
Have the military contracts almost exclusively. Must “erk” Babcock a little, being their core business in a way.
Have one EMS contract?

A lot of people wondering what the structure will be. All in the same uniform, flying red and blue machines, or....?
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 12:27
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Originally Posted by Twist & Shout View Post
Quite right.
I was just comparing Babcock Off Shore machines with CHC Off Shore machines.

It seems the Babcock OS fleet will be added to the CHC OS fleet, and the CHC onshore - as you point out.
RAAF SAR AW139s
A Navy SAR AW139?
An EMS B412 in WA
Did they have a B412 with the Army in Darwin?

They, the new CHC/Babcock entity, will:
Dominate OS in OZ, at least for a little while.
Have the military contracts almost exclusively. Must “erk” Babcock a little, being their core business in a way.
Have one EMS contract?

A lot of people wondering what the structure will be. All in the same uniform, flying red and blue machines, or....?
CHC have 3 x AW139 and 2 x AW189 contracted out of Karratha and then another 6 dotted around Australia for the RAAF SAR.

In answer to the last part, CHC are gaining around 30 aircraft to the 100+ they have operating already so suspect everything will become CHC. Be that the aircraft colours, uniforms, IT, procedures and policies etc etc

In Aberdeen, it doesn’t really help that Babcock and CHC are at opposite sides of the runway. There are obviously two check in areas and theres not enough room for all the Babcock staff to move into CHC’s existing infrastructure so not sure how they are going to work all that. Looks like it will be a logistical nightmare to manage to be honest, too many aircraft and not enough hangar space on either side so they will have to either work from both locations or start expanding on the CHC side of the runway.

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Old 12th Mar 2021, 14:16
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In Aberdeen, it doesn’t really help that Babcock and CHC are at opposite sides of the runway
Sounds like Deja vu from 2004 when CHC bought HS Group (including Bond)
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