So, what do you think?
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So, what do you think?
Stumbled across this old video and thought they were bat**** crazy,...!?
https://youtu.be/jH03stFao4k
https://youtu.be/jH03stFao4k
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In the early 70s we used to do zero-speed autos in Hueys, but we kept zero all the way down, not diving like in the video.
Aim point is between your toes in the chin bubble, go through the normal flare height, and when your @rse takes a bite out of the seat cushion, you pull the collective. Amazingly effective. To make judging the "pull" height easier, one instructor suggested drilling a hole under the collective and poking a broom handle through. When the machine gets down to broomstick height, it automatically pushes the collective up! Simples! Tccchhkk!
Aim point is between your toes in the chin bubble, go through the normal flare height, and when your @rse takes a bite out of the seat cushion, you pull the collective. Amazingly effective. To make judging the "pull" height easier, one instructor suggested drilling a hole under the collective and poking a broom handle through. When the machine gets down to broomstick height, it automatically pushes the collective up! Simples! Tccchhkk!
Just did these Monday:
We fly in inhospitable places where often times the only place to go in the event of engine failure is real close, hence we teach what I call "hang time". This is where you bleed off speed in an auto and descend vertically then nose forward to get speed for the flare then touch down. The auto has a very steep profile.
Here are 3 videos in the Huey showing the evolution of autos with a new guy to the Huey.
Start with straight ins:
Then move on to a 180 auto:
Then transition to a 180 with zero speed for the turn:
We fly in inhospitable places where often times the only place to go in the event of engine failure is real close, hence we teach what I call "hang time". This is where you bleed off speed in an auto and descend vertically then nose forward to get speed for the flare then touch down. The auto has a very steep profile.
Here are 3 videos in the Huey showing the evolution of autos with a new guy to the Huey.
Start with straight ins:
Then move on to a 180 auto:
Then transition to a 180 with zero speed for the turn:
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Get your facts right.
It's an autorotation that is initiated from what seems to be a high hover at 100 feet.
He dives down, gains speed, and carries out a normal autorotation.
A zero speed autorotation is something completely different.
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Gordy - the only problem with bringing the speed back so far is that to subsequently achieve a sensible flare speed, you are accelerating towards the ground and increasing your RoD - probably fine in a Huey since you have so much energy in the head but it might not be suitable for a robbie. EOLs are the sport of kings though
Gordy - the only problem with bringing the speed back so far is that to subsequently achieve a sensible flare speed, you are accelerating towards the ground and increasing your RoD - probably fine in a Huey since you have so much energy in the head but it might not be suitable for a robbie. EOLs are the sport of kings though
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That is not a zero speed autorotation in that video.
Get your facts right.
It's an autorotation that is initiated from what seems to be a high hover at 100 feet.
He dives down, gains speed, and carries out a normal autorotation.
A zero speed autorotation is something completely different.
Get your facts right.
It's an autorotation that is initiated from what seems to be a high hover at 100 feet.
He dives down, gains speed, and carries out a normal autorotation.
A zero speed autorotation is something completely different.
,...and its not just me who is calling it that, but the super awesome pilot who made the video as well.
Originally Posted by [email protected]
Gordy - the only problem with bringing the speed back so far is that to subsequently achieve a sensible flare speed, you are accelerating towards the ground and increasing your RoD - probably fine in a Huey since you have so much energy in the head but it might not be suitable for a robbie. EOLs are the sport of kings though
You make me laugh....
You make me laugh....
However, after many years of EOLs to grass by UK Mil training (and that is many thousands of EOLs) and only one (to my knowledge) problem caused by the surface, I think the grass is a pretty good option - maybe you just have the wrong sort of grass in the US
Originally Posted by [email protected]
However, after many years of EOLs to grass by UK Mil training (and that is many thousands of EOLs) and only one (to my knowledge) problem caused by the surface, I think the grass is a pretty good option - maybe you just have the wrong sort of grass in the US
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I’ve often thought “Sod it” after one of my landings...
ISTR that in my day RAF rules said that a zero speed auto should be converted to a VF EOL at 300’ agl. I know we used to carry out constant attitude EOLs to the ground at 40kts, which was about the minimum speed that the ASI needle showed any movement, finished off by use of collective only. I think that in many hells, true zero speed to the ground would result in a rather higher ROD with fewer options and more potential for things going wrong. Maybe Teeteringhead can remember?
ISTR that in my day RAF rules said that a zero speed auto should be converted to a VF EOL at 300’ agl. I know we used to carry out constant attitude EOLs to the ground at 40kts, which was about the minimum speed that the ASI needle showed any movement, finished off by use of collective only. I think that in many hells, true zero speed to the ground would result in a rather higher ROD with fewer options and more potential for things going wrong. Maybe Teeteringhead can remember?