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Kobe Bryant killed in S76 crash

Old 26th Jan 2020, 23:05
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
Eh???
Could the "sputtering" be a bit of blade slap as he did a few tight turns?
Sure could be. I don't believe for a second there was anything mechanically wrong with the helicopter that would account for the accident.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 23:14
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That is a bone chilling recording.... very very tragic
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 23:15
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Here in the US, reports say 9 people on board. Kobe and passengers on way to daughter's basketball training. Wx turned to shit.

Not a pilot and know enough to be dangerous, but trying to understand, based on speed graph above, how Sikorsky 76-B could fly to 50 knots with that many onboard? If so, that's impressive.

Feedback welcome. I love learning.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 23:23
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
Eh???
There are seats for 14 in an S76, be it a B or not. The B has the PT-6 engines and can happily carry the full load, no cg problems, but with less than full fuel. With 5 less pax, there is plenty of fuel and no cg problems at all.
have you ever flown a B with a corporate interior? I thought not.


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Old 26th Jan 2020, 23:30
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Originally Posted by nomorehelosforme View Post
That is a bone chilling recording.... very very tragic
Bone-chilling? Sounded routine to me, average joe helicopter pilot driving around in wx just below VFR limits (2.5 mile vs 3 mile) for controlled airspace, hence the hold and requests for Special VFR. Well within the capability and daily norm for a helicopter. Pilot sounded competent, relaxed, knew what he was doing and to negotiate with the complex ATC for helicopter routes in that area. You guys can download the LAX helicopter chart to better follow what he was doing. EGPWS if they had it is a non-factor in that kind of flying, in fact it is a hazardous distraction.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 23:35
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Originally Posted by malabo View Post
Bone-chilling? Sounded routine to me, average joe helicopter pilot driving around in wx just below VFR limits (2.5 mile vs 3 mile) for controlled airspace, hence the hold and requests for Special VFR. Well within the capability and daily norm for a helicopter. Pilot sounded competent, relaxed, knew what he was doing and to negotiate with the complex ATC for helicopter routes in that area. You guys can download the LAX helicopter chart to better follow what he was doing. EGPWS if they had it is a non-factor in that kind of flying, in fact it is a hazardous distraction.
Any details on the pilot or if the aircraft was managed by a company?

Any powerlines in the area?
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 23:57
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Originally Posted by CityofFlight View Post
Wx turned to shit.
Weather was shit out here all morning. It turned better this afternoon.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 00:02
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Originally Posted by kenish View Post
I live about 80 miles/130km SE from the crash site, but the terrain and microclimates are similar. I was mountain biking and there was a low-lying fog layer about 100-200 feet thick, with a broken around 3000-5000 feet (my estimate).

Another mountain biker and IFR-rated pilot was interviewed. He was first on the crash scene and said there was very dense fog with 3-4 feet of viz. They heard the S76 just before and during impact but did not see it. However, witnesses in the general area (I know those accounts turn out inaccurate) saw the helo "falter" and "sputter", and then steeply descend. So there seemed to be good visibility elsewhere.

The coastal scud in that area blows in from the west along Hwy 101 and hugs low-lying terrain. My very early speculation- they were VFR on top over a patchy ground fog layer in the canyon. A mechanical issue forced a descent into IFR and terrain.
I live 1 mile from the crash site. This morning I was at that location 10 minutes before the accident and viz was about 1/4 mile. The weather
​does not blow in from the west but rather the marine layer comes up Malibu Canyon from the south and usually burns off by late morning. However, this morning it was really damp unusual weather and definitely IMC conditions. The helicopter came westbound along the 101, then turned S across Agoura Rd then E where it crashed into the hillside. Without wishing to speculate, I wondered if the pilot was attempting for the Lost Hills Sheriff's Dept Helipad. Had he continued West along the 101 for another 20 seconds then turned S across Agoura Rd , he would have been over the helipad. However with
1/4 mile viz at the surface at best, it may have been difficult to spot.


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Old 27th Jan 2020, 00:06
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No power lines shown on map. Couple helipads nearby.



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Old 27th Jan 2020, 00:12
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Does the 101 rise up along that stretch of 101 before Conejo Grade?, maybe he was trying to do a 180 as the ceiling dropped over the highway? Mountain obscuration all day out here in Vandenburg, little bird is parked.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 00:38
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Not the best machine to be in doing "I follow road" in marginal VFR conditions, at low speeds the nose pitches up so high that you have very limited veiw forward and thight 180 turn is difficult.
The S-76 is minimum two pilots right? From report it looks there just one pilot.. perhaps not IFR rated

very sad event 😥
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 00:41
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Was the helicopter and PIC certified IFR?

From the tower transmissions it seems a tricky proposition maintaining VMC on a day like that.
Not a criticism, simply asking those that know!
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 00:54
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Originally Posted by rotorrookie View Post
Not the best machine to be in doing "I follow road" in marginal VFR conditions, at low speeds the nose pitches up so high that you have very limited veiw forward and thight 180 turn is difficult.
The S-76 is minimum two pilots right? From report it looks there just one pilot.. perhaps not IFR rated

very sad event 😥
Nope, you can fly it VFR single pilot.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 00:57
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Originally Posted by Old Dogs View Post
Nope, you can fly it VFR single pilot.
and single pilot IFR
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 01:23
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Originally Posted by Sir Korsky View Post
and single pilot IFR
Yup, I left that out because IFR does not seem to be the pilot's intent in this case.

Also, you cannot fly the S-76 single pilot IFR in Canada and many other parts of the world.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 01:25
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Here is the final minute of ADS-B data as posted on the FlightRadar24 blog:


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Old 27th Jan 2020, 01:44
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Originally Posted by JP.Robinson View Post
Does the 101 rise up along that stretch of 101 before Conejo Grade?, maybe he was trying to do a 180 as the ceiling dropped over the highway? Mountain obscuration all day out here in Vandenburg, little bird is parked.
Driving westbound on the 101, the road falls sharply as you approach the Las Virgenes exit (the accident site). Passing Las Virgenes it rises slowly as you continue westbound toward Westlake Village and Thousand Oaks. The Conejo Grade is a sharp drop taking you on to the coastal plain and Camarillo. They didn't make it that far.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 01:44
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Originally Posted by malabo View Post
Bone-chilling? Sounded routine to me, average joe helicopter pilot driving around in wx just below VFR limits (2.5 mile vs 3 mile) for controlled airspace, hence the hold and requests for Special VFR. Well within the capability and daily norm for a helicopter. Pilot sounded competent, relaxed, knew what he was doing and to negotiate with the complex ATC for helicopter routes in that area. You guys can download the LAX helicopter chart to better follow what he was doing. EGPWS if they had it is a non-factor in that kind of flying, in fact it is a hazardous distraction.
This. Finally a sensible post.
Wx-related acccident...not due to a "sputtering" turbine engine(s).
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 01:46
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Originally Posted by Sir Korsky View Post
really? wow !
There is provision to fly certain types single-pilot IFR because they were certified that way. The Bell 222 comes to mind.

The S-76 was certified two-pilot IFR.

However, even if a helicopter was certified single-pilot IFR you cannot provide a commercial IFR service without two pilots.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 02:03
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Single pilot IFR with autopilot..,

Originally Posted by Old Dogs View Post
There is provision to fly certain types single-pilot IFR because they were certified that way. The Bell 222 comes to mind.

The S-76 was certified two-pilot IFR.

However, even if a helicopter was certified single-pilot IFR you cannot provide a commercial IFR service without two pilots.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/135.105
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