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Old 10th Jul 2020, 16:23
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So if all the info here is correct, it will be just under Gazelle/As350/EC120 AUM and presumably size, with more than 2 seats in a very competitive market but aimed at private pilots with very deep pockets since it can't do any AT work???? You would think their number of sales might struggle to hit double figures?
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 17:46
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How much certification can a 4 or 5 seater avoid to make it “cheap” for just part 91 ops, and who in their right mind would want such a lousy investment?
Perhaps the attraction is that it will also run on clotted cream?
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 11:34
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They clearly haven't done their cream tea analysis with regards to build and finance - in Cornwall the cream goes on top of the jam on the scone so the quality comes after the profit. In Devon the jam goes on top of the cream so quality first followed by profit - great idea, they just built it in the wrong county
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 12:27
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I don't know how useful or relevant this is.

https://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/G-DRJH.html

or this

ROTORSPOT - Current (Active) Civil Helicopter Register for United Kingdom
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 19:16
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Hughes 500 sounds a bit like Trump:
"It's a good helicopter. It's a really good helicopter. It's really a good helicopter. It's a very good helicopter. It's really a very good helicopter. But it's stealthy, so you can't see it."
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Old 18th Jul 2020, 06:38
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So they have BC helicopters doing marketing and sales?
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Old 18th Jul 2020, 07:28
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so they say
'Official launch will happen on August 24th, 2020'.
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Old 21st Aug 2020, 11:53
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Monday 24th August is going to be an interesting day, will we at last be able to see what is so special and game changing regarding the Hill HX50 helicopter ?

Cannot wait !
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 07:29
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Expect a Gazelle like appearance with 5 seats and a fenestron plus turbine engine.photo and details in this month's Helicopter Internstional
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 18:42
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I wish all the best to the HX50 and his father!
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 00:14
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Originally Posted by heli1 View Post
Expect a Gazelle like appearance with 5 seats and a fenestron plus turbine engine.photo and details in this month's Helicopter Internstional
So what is the game changing improvement? Gazelle sized turbine engined spells expensive, so there has to be some really dramatic step forward to attract purchasers.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 10:50
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...still waiting.......
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 10:58
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
...still waiting.......
If you care to look at the website you'd know that the reveal is at 13:00 BST...
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 11:41
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Hmmmm.....

All CGI by the looks of it...








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Old 24th Aug 2020, 12:42
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From HeliHub

Source: HeliHub.com British engineer Jason Hill has been flying helicopters for nearly 20 years, and has more recently been developing a five-seat three-blade turbine helicopter that will not be “just another new helicopter”. Instead, he is aiming to disrupt the helicopter industry at least as much as Elon Musk has disrupted the car industry with his Tesla vehicles. The HX50 helicopter will be produced in the UK by his eponymous company Hill Helicopters.

Announced today, this five seat single-turbine has its first flight scheduled for 2022, with deliveries from 2023. This retractable gear aircraft will bring a significant step-up in style to the market and a cabin size that will seat 5 people in as much style, comfort and refinement as a high end automobile.

The standard package is a much higher specification too. The standard package will include leather interior, foam-filled bladder fuel tank, key-less entry, removable duals, covers, Bose Bluetooth headsets, start/stop button linked to the dual FADEC, 2-axis autopilot, blade fold, hydraulic controls, air conditioning, USB ports, flight data recorder, rotor brake, belly hard points, adjustable pedals, 4-point harnesses, and retractable undercarriage. While that doesn’t leave much, there will be further options including a 4-axis autopilot, and a “Heli-Move Kit” whereby the wheels are powered so you can use an app on your phone to control the helicopter on its own wheels into the hangar.

Gross weight will be 3630lb (1650kg), Empty weight 1870lb (850kg) and thus payload of 1760lb (800kg). Cruise speed will be high at 140 knots and maximum endurance of 5 hours, plenty enough until the pilot needs a comfort break.

Hill started his career at Leonardo Helicopters in the GKN Westland days and later went on to complete his Ph.D. in helicopter aerodynamics on their behalf. He later formed Dynamiq Engineering – specialising in rapid development of new products & technology by injecting new technology into stagnant industries. Hill has now focused his team of field-proven specialists on exploiting the opportunity afforded by the significant lack of innovation in the light helicopter industry. Combining this level of expertise with cutting edge engineering design, analysis and development approaches dramatically reduces the product development and testing period.

The airframe will be fully composite, meeting the latest international crashworthiness requirements and featuring an integrated high-authority shrouded tail rotor. The main rotor is of three-bladed, high-inertia and hingeless design, with composite blades employing modern evolving profile planform and three-dimensional tips delivering very high performance and reduced noise. The entire main rotor head is contained within a low-drag aerodynamic fairing that optimises the aircraft for efficient high-speed cruise. The HX50 will use a 500 shp turbine with ample power to deliver the high cruise speed of 140 knots.

The company has an excellent working relationship with the UK CAA and is actively working on the aircraft approvals both domestically and internationally, to minimise the time-to-market. The aircraft is being developed to fully comply with the latest EASA CS-27 in the UK and Europe, FAR-27 in the US and AWM527 in Canada.

Operating costs will also be very advantageous and will be announced in a few weeks and will benefit substantially from Hill-backed by-the-hour maintenance programs in addition to manufacturer backed insurance.

For more information see www.HillHelicopters.com

Jeremy Parkin – HeliHub.com
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 14:05
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So a smaller, more modern 109 then? Say $5M USD?
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 14:11
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To paraphrase racing legend Roger Penske.....

How do you make a small fortune in manufacturing commercial helicopters?

Start with a large fortune.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 14:35
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Launching of Ships and other Transportation vehicles is normally done with a fanfare and much bunting - why not a new helicopter ? Where's the real thing to gaze at ?
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 15:56
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For a possible private owner, the specs look promising (wait, the Kopter SH09 figures...), but what about
- price tag
- maintenance cost (component lifetime, ...)
- maintenance facilities (would I have to visit UK annually with this thing to be maintained)
- fuel consumption
- cost for initial and annual type rating
- ...
- and I guess, that EASA and friends will find some more "valuable" things to be taken into account (or better: taken off from the owner's account)

Eh, by the way, just a last question:
When will certification start (for the SH09 it started like what, 2.5 years ago?)?

And while you're at it, Hill Helicopters, a picture of the prototype would be nice...

Well, we'll see
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 16:10
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And how many pretty designs never made it to production or even a prototype? I hope his backers believe in his confidence - apart from the sexy styling it seems like hype.
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