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R44 Turns over while trying to land on a trolley in California

Old 4th Oct 2019, 12:37
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R44 Turns over while trying to land on a trolley in California

Edit to add clarity that nomorehelosforme is the original thread starter with the post below this one. Looks like there were gremlins with moving my post from another thread to here. Probably to do with timings as coincidently I submitted my post only minutes before nmhfm created this thread.

Recently did a few trolly landings in a 350. Lot's of new things to think about including not being able to easily see the [email protected]@dy thing when over it.
Had I overthunk and questioned everything that goes on with these flying contraptions I probably wouldn't be able to plonk it down safely.

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Old 4th Oct 2019, 13:30
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R44 Turns over while trying to land on a trolley in California

Funny that the first thing they appeared to do was cover the registration number!

CARLSBAD, Calif. -- A helicopter crashed while landing at a North County airport Wednesday afternoon, but neither of the two people on board were injured, authorities said.

The Robinson R44 helicopter was landing at McClellan-Palomar Airport around 1:45 p.m. when it rolled on its side, FAA spokesman Ian Gregor said.

Video from SkyFOX showed the helicopter on its side near a square landing platform. The aircraft's rotor blades were bent and badly damaged, but the cockpit was intact and did not catch fire, according to San Diego County communications specialist Gig Counaughton.

The pilot and a passenger walked away from the crash without injuries, Gregor said. The cause of the accident is under investigation.

https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/10/02/419007/



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Old 4th Oct 2019, 16:30
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Not the first bad trolley landing in Carlsbad in recent times.... Must be the airport....

This one seems to have come to a stop quite quickly and with a much better outcome compared to the last one!
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Surely there cannot be many R44's left flying. Rarely a day goes by that a crash is not reported somewhere. How many of these have been built?
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Well they've made around 6,000 of the things, so...
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 01:46
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Originally Posted by Same again View Post
Surely there cannot be many R44's left flying. Rarely a day goes by that a crash is not reported somewhere. How many of these have been built?
Sadly, your problem might be that you only pay attention to Robinson crashes. According to the NTSB database, since the beginning of 2019 there have been 9 Robinsons (all types) destroyed, 32 substantially damaged, and 7 Bells (all types) destroyed, 29 substantially damaged. It's neck and neck. Not sure of the fleet totals, but at this rate, if both factories stopped building aircraft, we might still run out of Bells first because of the sheer number of Robinsons built.
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Originally Posted by aa777888 View Post
Sadly, your problem might be that you only pay attention to Robinson crashes. According to the NTSB database, since the beginning of 2019 there have been 9 Robinsons (all types) destroyed, 32 substantially damaged, and 7 Bells (all types) destroyed, 29 substantially damaged. It's neck and neck. Not sure of the fleet totals, but at this rate, if both factories stopped building aircraft, we might still run out of Bells first because of the sheer number of Robinsons built.
The Bell's have enough common sense to go crash somewhere on the job where no one will see it happening.
The Robbie's are determined to do it in public and while performing dangerous manoevres such as landing or taking off
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 19:33
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Originally Posted by FH1100 Pilot View Post
Well they've made around 6,000 of the things, so...
I think they delivered #7000 just last week.
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Originally Posted by aa777888 View Post
Sadly, your problem might be that you only pay attention to Robinson crashes. According to the NTSB database, since the beginning of 2019 there have been 9 Robinsons (all types) destroyed, 32 substantially damaged, and 7 Bells (all types) destroyed, 29 substantially damaged. It's neck and neck. Not sure of the fleet totals, but at this rate, if both factories stopped building aircraft, we might still run out of Bells first because of the sheer number of Robinsons built.
A major difference being is the R44s that have crashed for seemingly no adequately explained reasons.
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 17:17
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Looks like a R44 Cadet. Not too many of these about. Think they have only built about 60+ so far.

Apparently developed for the training market with the rear seats taken out and that area used for storage/cargo ? Who when training takes cargo or would need that space ?

So why not stick with the R22 for training ? Does anyone know the real benefits of using a Cadet for training.

Only two here in the UK.
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 17:20
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Higher rotor inertia would be a big one. More stable in the hover too.
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 19:07
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Originally Posted by helipixman View Post
Looks like a R44 Cadet. Not too many of these about. Think they have only built about 60+ so far.

Apparently developed for the training market with the rear seats taken out and that area used for storage/cargo ? Who when training takes cargo or would need that space ?

So why not stick with the R22 for training ? Does anyone know the real benefits of using a Cadet for training.

Only two here in the UK.
Yeah,...its the R22 for fat guys!
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 21:03
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A major difference being is the R44s that have crashed for seemingly no adequately explained reasons.
As do pretty much every other kind of helicopter, so it's really no difference at all:

Another Robinson crash
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A major difference being is the R44s that have crashed for seemingly no adequately explained reasons
Which logically means the Bells have crashed for 'explained reasons' which presumably means either mechanical issues or pilot error

so Robbies are better built and flown by better pilots

Before I receive the usual tirade from Robbie bashers who are gullible enough to think I mean this seriously, may I simply point out that this daft argument has been going on for decades on PPRuNe without any sense coming out of it. Is it time to call a truce? I will get my hat
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Old 7th Oct 2019, 01:25
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Back to thread, this was an accident relating to a trolley landing, I’m pretty sure it doesn’t matter what you are flying, 212, 206,135 or a Robinson, landing on a trolley is a potentially hazardous situation.
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Old 7th Oct 2019, 08:41
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Originally Posted by nomorehelosforme View Post
Funny that the first thing they appeared to do was cover the registration number!
Yes, that's the first time I hear something like that for an helicopter !

So who is the owner who doesn't want us to know is name ?

This brand new R44 Cadet belongs to Robinson Helicopters Co from Torrance.

I really don't know why they did such a thing knowing that the registration would be known officialy quickly.
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Old 7th Oct 2019, 08:45
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Originally Posted by HeliHenri View Post
This brand new R44 Cadet belongs to Robinson Helicopters Co from Torrance.
I really don't know why they did such a thing knowing that the registration would be known officialy quickly.
When you blame inexperienced operators for most of the faults of your aircraft, but then go do it yourself it could be a little bit embarrassing.
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Originally Posted by aa777888 View Post
As do pretty much every other kind of helicopter, so it's really no difference at all:

Another Robinson crash
Name some other helicopters that have broken up in flight, mast bumped in conditions that are not extreme, burst into fire as the result of a roll over, blades delaminating.....
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Originally Posted by Bell_ringer View Post
The Bell's have enough common sense to go crash somewhere on the job where no one will see it happening.
The Robbie's are determined to do it in public and while performing dangerous manoevres such as landing or taking off
Isn't that best for survival?
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