AW139 Crash in Bahamas - 7 Killed
The question is "who" as in which pilot was in which seat I believe!
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I bring this question for the sake of a discussion. I don't know the relationship between the owner and the pilot. I do however occasionally notice a pilot/CFI sitting in the other seat while the owner is flying the aircraft. I see it with helicopters and airplanes as well.
I could only find that everyone had died in the accident not who was sitting where
Again this is pure speculation.
I could only find that everyone had died in the accident not who was sitting where
Again this is pure speculation.
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I'm new here, and have been to Walker and Grand Cay area many times over many years.
Local rumor has it that the TR gearbox failed, as the pictures look, that the people watching the helicopter depart in the darkness heard a loud bang, but did not realize what it was and went back to bed.
Apparently there was a SB or AD pending on the gearbox. Does anybody here know?
Local rumor has it that the TR gearbox failed, as the pictures look, that the people watching the helicopter depart in the darkness heard a loud bang, but did not realize what it was and went back to bed.
Apparently there was a SB or AD pending on the gearbox. Does anybody here know?
If it was a gearbox failure they would know by now and most certainly have issued an SB or AD. The loud bang that was heard was 12,000 lbs of (likely) serviceable helicopter traveling at high speed hit the water.
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I thought someone here might know more.
Certainly it is easier for me to believe that a mechanical failure doomed these people than that the experienced pilots lost awareness.
NTSB Docket is out. Interesting comment on CVR transcript at 1:53:13.7 mark just before impact.
https://dms.ntsb.gov/pubdms/search/h...=0&TXTSEARCHT=
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SOPS? MCC? Private owners - read the litany of accidents that result from their lack and spend a bit more on training your crews! And live.
Extraordinary. Ignoring the whole flight conduct fir now - the fact that the PIC describes that they’re making the same mistake as G-LABL just before they hit the water!
The conclusion is, they made up the plan as they went along and eventually flew a serviceable helicopter into the water and killed everybody on-board. Knowing they were doing the same thing as somebody else who met a similar fate.
Not yet. They're still in the "factual" part of the investigation of which the released Docket above is a part. Next out will be a Factual Report then the Final Report with the Probable Cause will be released. But the Final could still be months out. After the Factual is released at some point they will post an estimated date of the Final Report release here:
https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.a...InvestRel.aspx
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Using the runway to get to V-mini and letting the autopilot do it's thing would have prevented this accident, IMO. Instead, whomever was flying got rushed, spatially disoriented, overrode the autopilot (not sure if they ever even reached V-mini, so it wouldn't have mattered) and did not reference the instruments.
The docket says the force trim release was engaged from TO to impact. The autopilot was probably never flying but it was set correctly set to indicated airspeed and heading.
The one pilot said he didn't want to use the hat for takeoff and also released the force trim. A terrible idea in those kind of WX conditions and the kind of takeoff it sounds like they used. They also probably felt rushed because of the situation with sick passengers needing medical attention. Everything lined up for a tragic outcome.
I don't understand why the pilot monitoring pretty much just watched the whole thing happen.
The docket says the force trim release was engaged from TO to impact. The autopilot was probably never flying but it was set correctly set to indicated airspeed and heading.
The one pilot said he didn't want to use the hat for takeoff and also released the force trim. A terrible idea in those kind of WX conditions and the kind of takeoff it sounds like they used. They also probably felt rushed because of the situation with sick passengers needing medical attention. Everything lined up for a tragic outcome.
I don't understand why the pilot monitoring pretty much just watched the whole thing happen.
How did either of them hold a licence? The good ole boys do helicopter flying.........
Unprofessional doesn't even start to describe it - what a senseless waste of lives.
Unprofessional doesn't even start to describe it - what a senseless waste of lives.
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How did either of them hold a licence? The good ole boys do helicopter flying.........
Unprofessional doesn't even start to describe it - what a senseless waste of lives.
Unprofessional doesn't even start to describe it - what a senseless waste of lives.
Using the runway to get to V-mini and letting the autopilot do it's thing would have prevented this accident, IMO. Instead, whomever was flying got rushed, spatially disoriented, overrode the autopilot (not sure if they ever even reached V-mini, so it wouldn't have mattered) and did not reference the instruments.
The docket says the force trim release was engaged from TO to impact. The autopilot was probably never flying but it was set correctly set to indicated airspeed and heading.
The one pilot said he didn't want to use the hat for takeoff and also released the force trim. A terrible idea in those kind of WX conditions and the kind of takeoff it sounds like they used. They also probably felt rushed because of the situation with sick passengers needing medical attention. Everything lined up for a tragic outcome.
I don't understand why the pilot monitoring pretty much just watched the whole thing happen.
The docket says the force trim release was engaged from TO to impact. The autopilot was probably never flying but it was set correctly set to indicated airspeed and heading.
The one pilot said he didn't want to use the hat for takeoff and also released the force trim. A terrible idea in those kind of WX conditions and the kind of takeoff it sounds like they used. They also probably felt rushed because of the situation with sick passengers needing medical attention. Everything lined up for a tragic outcome.
I don't understand why the pilot monitoring pretty much just watched the whole thing happen.
Clearly taking off from the runway is always the best option if available. But they were there illegally as the airport was closed, with pad, taxiway and runway lighting switched off. From the transcript it sounds like they were able to identify the tower from obstacle lights on it and they had some help on the ground providing lighting guidance to the pad. So the question is which illegal approach and departure with only on-board lighting and maybe golf cart lights would be safest…. trick question.
Taking off with the FTR on the cyclic depressed is normal enough. The power is set, a profile is flown to achieve a safe airspeed (40-50 KIAS), then released. The AW139 is really stable and will continue to fly the attitude hands and feet free without any further AFCS mode engagement (although clearly best practice). All CAT A profiles then ensure a climb and acceleration to at least Vy. Safe. Really safe. That‘s why commercial operators fly them.
The PM didn’t intervene because he wan’t one. This was two single pilots who didn’t plan (or even brief) either the approach or departure properly. Nothing was ever agreed. So at what point does the PM notice a deviation, when there is no standard or plan? If they had flown a defined CAT A pad departure from the pad, that both understood, and were practiced in, then the outcome would surely have been very different. And there is another of the lamentable parallels with the G-LABL accident. The PNFs insight before impact was needed whilst they were still on the ground.