Differences training 365 to 155
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Differences training 365 to 155
We want to employ AS365 pilots who have 365/155 on their licences but have only flown the 365 and never sat in a 155. Can we train them in house using our Training Capt. or do we have to use an external ATO? Its obviously cheaper to use in house resources. All EASA. As I understand it at the moment there is no need for differences training to be done in an ATO as long as the course complies with the OSD for the 155. If so, we could do it using our TRI.
I believe that this may change soon though with an amendment to Part-FCL, mandating differences training only within an ATO.
Can anyone help me get a definite answer on this?
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I believe that this may change soon though with an amendment to Part-FCL, mandating differences training only within an ATO.
Can anyone help me get a definite answer on this?
Thanks,
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Due to winning an 8 year O+G contract, H155 (not 365N3!) Captains and copilots needed.
Outline:
Black Sea - LRCM and LRCK
28/28 rotation
Apartment
Car
return flights (capped at 300 Eur)
decent salary range
Start Autumn.
Requirements:
Total hrs .2500 Captain, >250 copilot
PIC . 1500
PIC Multi >500
Offshore >50
Command on H155 >100 (Captain)
On type >10 hrs Copilot
Please PM if you meet or exceed these requirements. We are not looking to put anyone through a differences course at the moment, so need pilots with actual 155 time in the last 2 years.
Thanks.
Outline:
Black Sea - LRCM and LRCK
28/28 rotation
Apartment
Car
return flights (capped at 300 Eur)
decent salary range
Start Autumn.
Requirements:
Total hrs .2500 Captain, >250 copilot
PIC . 1500
PIC Multi >500
Offshore >50
Command on H155 >100 (Captain)
On type >10 hrs Copilot
Please PM if you meet or exceed these requirements. We are not looking to put anyone through a differences course at the moment, so need pilots with actual 155 time in the last 2 years.
Thanks.
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Its quiet a lot of training-so hell of expensive, and needs to be done iaw https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/def...2-08022012.pdf
(Minimum of 4:30 Differences training for VFR only).
(Minimum of 4:30 Differences training for VFR only).
Approved training organisation will manage duration and sufficient numbers of flight necessary to cover the flight training syllabus content.
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Autorotations to the ground are not a requirement for multi-engine helicopter.
This is what simulators are made for...
The risk of damaging something during a full down training autorotation on a fully OGP commercially rigged machine is way too high to risk it.....
But the Thread opener should tell his company that they should start responding to those pilots applying for these jobs (fulfilling all requirements)..
This is what simulators are made for...
The risk of damaging something during a full down training autorotation on a fully OGP commercially rigged machine is way too high to risk it.....
But the Thread opener should tell his company that they should start responding to those pilots applying for these jobs (fulfilling all requirements)..
Perhaps it is just something lost in translation since other types specify not bringing engines to idle for autos but they mean practice autos not EOLs - the 'power off' is probably meant in the same way as some aircraft specify a power-off VNE - could just be at very low power but with the engines at FLT not IDLE.
But the Thread opener should tell his company that they should start responding to those pilots applying for these jobs (fulfilling all requirements)..
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I would indeed reply promptly had I not been offshore in the Black Sea for the last 4 days auditing platforms and hanging over the side of small supply vessels trying not to lose my lunch. Don't worry all applicants that meet the minima will and have been answered. If you do not hear by the 12th, we have filled the posts.
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then EASA judge that I am in the same position as someone who has never flown it.
That would be incorrect......
As long as you keep the rating valid, the "differences training" has no expiry date.......Thats why its differences training, not additional type rating...
In connection with the job above, I also have several thousand hours on type, was responsible for the operational and training aspects of introducing the first O&G machines in service, was the first customer of the HeliSim simulator (literally they were pulling off the wrappers as we started the IOS course) and the second UK CAA Licensed TRE, but would also be treated as if I'd never seen one before! Hey ho......
That would be incorrect......
As long as you keep the rating valid, the "differences training" has no expiry date.......Thats why its differences training, not additional type rating...
As long as you keep the rating valid, the "differences training" has no expiry date.......Thats why its differences training, not additional type rating...
Why incorrect? Same Again is obviously an experienced EC155 pilot that has not used his rating for several years and to do so would require Renewal and not Revalidation. Under Part FCL rules, after 3 years since a rating has lost its validity it effectively requires a full type rating course again to Renew. He was not talking about differences training.
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It sounded like his CAA wanted to make him do the differences training course again (when i implied he was still flying an AS365)....in which case i would have been correct.
That is one of the many big problems the aviation industry is suffering from with EASA........at least for the "medium/light" types we should have implemented a similar system like in the US....(or at least give a pilot a rating ONCE, then leave it up to the operator to do a recurrency check no matter how many years the rating has expired)...
That is one of the many big problems the aviation industry is suffering from with EASA........at least for the "medium/light" types we should have implemented a similar system like in the US....(or at least give a pilot a rating ONCE, then leave it up to the operator to do a recurrency check no matter how many years the rating has expired)...
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Under Part FCL rules, after 3 years since a rating has lost its validity it effectively requires a full type rating course again to Renew.
For the removal of doubt: The decision as to whether and how much refresher training is required prior to taking the proficiency check for the renewal of an expired type rating is entirely that of the ATO. (or DTO in the case of single-engine helicopters certified with 5 seats or less).
No, it doesn't, and never has. The requirement of FCL.740 is that, prior to the proficiency check to renew the rating, the pilot must "take refresher training at an ATO, where necessary to reach the level of proficiency to safely operate the relevant class or type of aircraft". (my emphasis). The associated AMC states that, "The amount of refresher training needed should be determined on a case-by-case basis by the ATO". The widely discredited tables implying that a specific amount of training was required according to the time since the rating expired have been removed from the AMC and replaced by a list of factors that the ATO should take into account when determining if and how much refresher training will be required.
For the removal of doubt: The decision as to whether and how much refresher training is required prior to taking the proficiency check for the renewal of an expired type rating is entirely that of the ATO. (or DTO in the case of single-engine helicopters certified with 5 seats or less).
For the removal of doubt: The decision as to whether and how much refresher training is required prior to taking the proficiency check for the renewal of an expired type rating is entirely that of the ATO. (or DTO in the case of single-engine helicopters certified with 5 seats or less).
expiry longer than 3 years: the applicant should again undergo the training required for the initial issue of the rating or, in case of helicopter, the training required for the ‘additional type issue’, according to other valid ratings held
Anyway, good to see that common sense seems to be prevailing now and thanks for the update - I haven't looked at Part FCL for two or three years.