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Old 28th Dec 2018, 12:20
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Haven’t heard much about the new Vulcanair’s at Doncaster for a while. Not much on their twitter page.
https://twitter.com/NPASDoncasterSA

New hangar is ready.
https://www.rubbuk.com/hangar-in-pla...e-air-service/

A number of countries appear to be using the P68's for police operations. Whats the hold up in the UK?
https://www.wikizero.com/en/Partenavia_P.68
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The brand new new "Joint facility" for the NPAS Aircraft and The Great Western Air Ambulance unit was completed recently and went live during December. Their previous facilities on the now defunct Filton Airfield are closed, and will be re developed. What has not escaped notice is the fact that the Air Ambulance unit is effectively in ownership of of the new facility, adjacent to the M5/M4 crossing at Almondsbury, South Gloucestershire, with the NPAS unit as their tenant. How things have changed!!

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Haven’t heard much about the new Vulcanair’s at Doncaster for a while.
Not much on their twitter page.
https://twitter.com/NPASDoncasterSA

New hangar is ready.
https://www.rubbuk.com/hangar-in-place-to-support-the-national-police-air-service/

A number of countries appear to be using the P68's for police operations. Whats the hold up in the UK?
https://www.wikizero.com/en/Partenavia_P.68
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The new hangar has been in place for almost 18 months, possibly longer. As far as I can tell the aircraft are still not yet operational although they have been seen flying on quite rare occasions - but possibly only for crew training / currency. I find that surprising and disappointing since the observers must have "previous" from when the UK did have a decent level of air support. A lot of money must have been thrown at this for nil return so far.
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ShyTorque, As I live only half a mile from there, I can assure you that the base has been fully operational for just about the whole of December. I think that the last of my original crew of observers left some time ago. Sadly with their departure I lost most of my contact with the Police side of the operation. However as a District Councillor who's ward abuts the area I still meet up with the GWAAC people frequently, and through various funds support them in other ways.

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Tigerfish,

I'm slightly confused. The post I responded to and quoted from is about the Doncaster base and your location says Bristol. However, I'm very pleased to be corrected if the Doncaster base is now fully operational.
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A number of countries appear to be using the P68's for police operations. Whats the hold up in the UK?
I believe that the aircraft wiring wasn't up to the job for the mission equipment.
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ShyTorque! Sorry Pardon! As your post arrived immediately after mine about the Filton Unit, I assumed (Obviously wrongly) that you were talking about that- my old unit at Filton! Wires obviously crossed!

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Cabby,
The new hangar has been in place for almost 18 months, possibly longer. As far as I can tell the aircraft are still not yet operational although they have been seen flying on quite rare occasions - but possibly only for crew training / currency. I find that surprising and disappointing since the observers must have "previous" from when the UK did have a decent level of air support. A lot of money must have been thrown at this for nil return so far.
Thanks for the updates Shytorque and MightyGem, it seems strange other countries operate the P68's in role equipped police air missions but not the UK?
Somebody who was probably being paid a lot of money appears to have made a poor choice of plane if the can't be operated in the UK on police missions?
Who decided on the P68 airframe, or is that a government secret?
Is it true there are 2 fixed wing pilots now employed by NPAS who don't carry out any searches etc? How long have they been twiddling their thumbs at Doncaster?
Its all sounding a bit like the UK foreign aid debacle which was in the paper today!
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Other countries donít have NPAS running their Air Support.
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NPAS was merely a Governmental programme to run down UK Policing, which they believed at the time was unnecessary expenditure, and in a modern society was no longer required. We were at peace with not only ourselves, but the world in general. Therefore to spend money on defence, - both internal and external was just wasting money! Air support to the Police was typical of that credo! The Joy rider had been beaten back, new methods of car security had been developed. The criminal mind would never again be a threat! So run down policing and reduce Air Support to just something useful for pre planned events. Crime was a thing the past and no longer needed to be considered!
Who was the Home Secretary who pushed that one through? TM. Who was the Chief Constable, later Met Police Commissioner who majored on that? HH I believe! Who was the Architect of NPAS? AM!
NEVER forget who were responsible for this mess!

I learned at the very start of my career. "Never be kind (Or trust) the Criminal, for to the criminal, kindness is a weakness, and weaknesses are to be exploited". They never understood or countered that problem. They believed that the criminal had been beaten and as a result steadfast Policing was no longer required! History has shown so many times that such attitudes can bring disaster! e.g. England's failure to recognise the rise of Nazi resurgence in the early 1930"s.

Efficient Police Air Support is not a luxury, but a vital exponent of 21st century Policing. Drones too have their use, but must be operated properly by operationally skilled and trained Police staff.

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Drones too have their use, but must be operated properly by operationally skilled and trained Police staff.
Agreed, they do have their uses - but they usually have to be driven to the scene of an incident and aren't much use for a vehicle pursuit, or for putting a "Nitesun" on a scene.
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Total Agreement there ShyTorque, indeed if I were still running the show (In my Force Area) I would have insisted that the deployment of the drone or the main aviation asset was a matter for the Unit commander to decide the most appropriate response. Problems may well result if the decision is split between two differing commands.

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Looking for three pilots. First of quite a few over 60s this year.
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Jayteeto, agreed: Extracting the Urine springs to mind.
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Cabby I think you will find that the number of police forces operating the P68 in the police role is very few. Over twenty years ago the Italian Police had quite a few of them. They were standard fixed wing airframes and they were basically hangar queens. The crews preferred to fly the A109A helicopters and polish the P68s.

One German force has a fixed wing P68 and a couple made an appearance with US police but as far as I am aware they have now been retired. Not therefore an illustrious presence in the crime fighting world.

There are probably as many reasons why they were selected for NPAS as there are many reasons why they seem to fail to meet expectations. Technical glitches, performance shortfalls and being a bit tight in the cabin are the items I have heard about. No doubt the failure of NPAS to publish its Strategic Board minutes may be linked to the whole sorry tale. Either way they are not expected to be operational this year.
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And used very little, if at all, from what I've heard.
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Going to be 10 pilots reaching 60 in the next 18 months is what I've heard.

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I was told recently that itís almost double that number, not including others who are unhappy and may be jumping ship..
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ATPL,IR,MULTI,P1 EXPERIENCE, and they're paying £55k?
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