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Old 20th Dec 2018, 15:05
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FAA or EASA ATPL(H)

In your opinion, which is best to get an FAA or EASA ATPL(H)? Why?
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 15:19
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Only do the EASA one if you need it.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 15:54
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An EASA ATPL is virtually impossible to get.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 16:06
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An EASA ATPL is virtually impossible to get.
Why is the EASA ATPL virtually impossible?
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 16:11
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There is the multi pilot helicopter thing in the regs. Who flies multi pilots ops ? First and foremost oil & gas. Very few VIP ops maybe.
A mere mortal will not be able to self fund a type rating on a MPH, let alone 350 hours after that. With the shortage of airline pilots some helicopter guys might have gone the transit route
but there are still plenty of highly eperienced guys looking for work.
You might want to get in line and draw a number.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 16:27
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Let's just say you won't get that type of machine on the licence without the help of a large company....
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 17:25
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In your opinion, which is best to get an FAA or EASA ATPL(H)? Why?
It depends upon whereabouts in the world that you have a ‘right to work’.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 17:32
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Originally Posted by GoodGrief View Post
Who flies multi pilots ops ? First and foremost oil & gas. Very few VIP ops maybe.
More HEMS operations are going multi-crew, certainly in the UK. And then there is obviously the military as well.

To the OP - an ATPL is not a licence that you train for ab-initio. You initially train for a CPL and then qualify for an ATPL once certain experience requirements are satisfied.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 18:29
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In your opinion, which is best to get an FAA or EASA ATPL(H)? Why?
FAA, because I live in the US.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 19:23
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As stated earlier the answer really depends on where you want and can work. If you want to be Europe based then a FAA license is not going to help you fly commercially.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 18:36
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Question should be:


Where do you have the right to work (and live)?

As a European pilot, it is almost (not fully, but almost) impossible to get a work permit in the US......

As a US pilot, it is almost (not fully, but almost) impossible to get a work permit in Europe...
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 21:28
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Neither. The industry is busted. Save your money and do something that has a better future, or at the least, just go fixed wing.
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Old 26th Dec 2018, 13:32
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Go fixed wing, there's money to be made in the East side.
You can get an FAA ATP with ME and a (relatively) heavy TR (A320 family, B737) for chips compared to the cost of a EASA ATPL(H) with any valuable TR on it.
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Old 31st Dec 2018, 07:33
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FAA ATPL for Int’l Ops

I’ve been involved in the industry actively working/flying for the past 40+ years and am currently Captain on both the AW139 & B412 operating offshore in the Persian Gulf.

Holding both FW & RW ATPL’s (FAA & Canadian) I was also previously type-ck’d as Capt on the B737 back in the mid 1990’s. (Not current at present)

Having left Canada in ‘96, I’ve worked the past 23 years continuously in the helicopter offshore oil & gas industry in Qatar, KSA, UAE, Nigeria, Canada, India, Yemen.

If your plans are to work as an expat overseas for global operators (FW & RW) not including Europe, the most valuable license that you can get yourself where you’ll make the most $$$$ will be the FAA ATPL.

The company that I currently work for in the UAE can’t find enough “qualified” offshore Captains. We’re about 15 guys short. What is “qualified” you ask...? Mid-Late 30’s, FAA ATPL, 5,000+ Hrs, Offshore Oil & Gas experience, multi-crew ops, multi-eng experience ie Bell212, Bell412, AW139.

That all said, your getting an FAA FW ATPL and throwing in a B737 type-ck (B737-300 Non-Glass cockpit at $10,000USD approx) will certainly fast track you to where you want to get to. Don’t worry about the Glass cockpit. The employer only wants to see the type-ck on the license. The airline will put you through a Glass Transition Course.

If your plans are to work in Europe, disregard all the above.....

Good luck.....
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Old 31st Dec 2018, 09:28
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The company that I currently work for in the UAE can’t find enough “qualified” offshore Captains.
If they cannot 'find' people - by which I assume you mean pilots are not banging on the door perhaps they should try advertising?
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Old 31st Dec 2018, 09:41
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Saudi Aramco insist on all their pilots having FAA ATPL(H), they won't even look at anyone with just an EASA ATPL(H), even though the EASA ATPL(H) is much harder to get and demonstrates proper multi-crew experience. Figure that one out.

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Old 31st Dec 2018, 10:14
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Originally Posted by hargreaves99 View Post
Saudi Aramco insist on all their pilots having FAA ATPL(H), they won't even look at anyone with just an EASA ATPL(H), even though the EASA ATPL(H) is much harder to get and demonstrates proper mutli-crew experience. Figure that one out.
Simple explanation. All Aramco aircraft are “N” registered. In order to fly any American “N” registered aircraft worldwide, the crew must hold an FAA ATPL.
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Old 31st Dec 2018, 10:19
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If they cannot 'find' people - by which I assume you mean pilots are not banging on the door perhaps they should try advertising?
Unfortunately the new Egyptian CFO and the “In-Human” Resources Dept have opted to bring in junior crews at much reduced rates of pay vs what was being paid just 10 years ago. What they are offering now, is what I was earning 20 years ago....!!!
Guys who have the experience and the brains, are all going elsewhere.....
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Old 31st Dec 2018, 10:27
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Well, they don't seem to consider FAA ATPL with A139 experience (EASA Type rating) either ;-)

35 years old, 5200 hours, FAA & EASA ATPL(H), CPL(A)/IR(A), 3500 hours offshore, EASA 139 & CL65 typed, but no FAA type ratings >12.500

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Old 31st Dec 2018, 17:45
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Are you saying 40+ is too old ?
Madness I say.
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