Helicopter down outside Leicester City Football Club
Offshore oil & gas drifting up & back is a big no no, like Industry Insider I've never done a take-off profile like that from an offshore rig / platform in my 20+ years flying offshore oil & gas.
Onshore some aircraft have a vertical profile like that, don't know if the AW169 has that profile in its RFM.
Onshore some aircraft have a vertical profile like that, don't know if the AW169 has that profile in its RFM.
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Sky news shows day light photos from the air of the burnt out airframe, all chard except a door looking section 7-8 feet away still with paint. Looks like 2 windows, could that be a escape hatch? Never been in a 169.
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There was a suggestion that a possible TR failure could have been to blame. In these situations it doesn't really matter what profile you do whilst in the T/O phase. Only a suggestion like I say.
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Offshore oil & gas drifting up & back is a big no no, like Industry Insider I've never done a take-off profile like that from an offshore rig / platform in my 20+ years flying offshore oil & gas.
Onshore some aircraft have a vertical profile like that, don't know if the AW169 has that profile in its RFM.
Onshore some aircraft have a vertical profile like that, don't know if the AW169 has that profile in its RFM.
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I understand that in an incident like this one might well perish from the crash alone. But one might also perish from an ensuing fuel fire. I know that Robertson Fuel Systems, for one, makes fuel tanks that are more crash resistant. The Robertson tanks are available for at least some civil aircraft; I can’t tell from their website if the AW 169 is one of those. Was it available for this aircraft? Anyone here have experience or knowledge as to this type of system and its effect? If you were wealthy and owned a helicopter, would you specify such?
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No it’s not, some are PC1. it’s even simpler than that, it’s so that you don’t reverse into the rig and crash.
This is because offshore profiles aren’t generally PC1,
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FWIW I've grabbed an image from Google maps and using the various photos on the news feeds identified the place (point B) where the aircraft came down. They really didn't get very far at all and would have had almost no height to play with even if they had any control. RIP.
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Well, if we're being pickety ..... he said 'generally' and I have done it from UMI's with no obstructions above deck, but the helideck was smaller than 1D, so there .....
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Gear retracted
From the video immediately after the crash the gear seems to be up. The gear doors are still closed and there doesn't appear to be significant impact damage. No gear to soften the impact and no resistance to stop it spinning and flipping.
I thought there was I minimum altitude of 500' before transitioning into toward flight in residential/built up areas?
I thought there was I minimum altitude of 500' before transitioning into toward flight in residential/built up areas?
If Wikipedia is to be believed, this is the first AW169 accident. Anyone know otherwise?
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Edited to add - just seen a tweet in which Leonardo Helos states just that -
airsound
Edited to add - just seen a tweet in which Leonardo Helos states just that -
Leonardo Helicopters is ready to support the AAIB with their investigation to determine the cause of this accident. This is the first ever accident involving an AW169 helicopter
Avoid imitations
From the video immediately after the crash the gear seems to be up. The gear doors are still closed and there doesn't appear to be significant impact damage. No gear to soften the impact and no resistance to stop it spinning and flipping.
I thought there was I minimum altitude of 500' before transitioning into toward flight in residential/built up areas?
I thought there was I minimum altitude of 500' before transitioning into toward flight in residential/built up areas?
Well done to "Puma crew member Jim Rowlands" quoted on BBC ,for doing us all a favour by rubbishinghelicopters and speculating on the cause. Hope its worth his seconds of fame.
lets wait for the AAIB professionals please everyone.
lets wait for the AAIB professionals please everyone.
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I understand that in an incident like this one might well perish from the crash alone. But one might also perish from an ensuing fuel fire. I know that Robertson Fuel Systems, for one, makes fuel tanks that are more crash resistant. The Robertson tanks are available for at least some civil aircraft; I can’t tell from their website if the AW 169 is one of those. Was it available for this aircraft? Anyone here have experience or knowledge as to this type of system and its effect? If you were wealthy and owned a helicopter, would you specify such?
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happy to be corrected - I’m not an offshore pilot however my main point was that this type of helipad departure is completely typical of onshore PC1 profiles on most light-medium twins, and the fact it’s not used offshore doesn’t imply a great deal in this context. It’s actually the only approved PC1 profile in the AW169 for a site of this sort with significant obstacles encircling it.
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