Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Rotorheads
Reload this Page >

Fuel tanks installation of AW139

Wikiposts
Search

Notices
Rotorheads A haven for helicopter professionals to discuss the things that affect them

Fuel tanks installation of AW139

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 20th October 2018 | 13:10
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
5 Anniversary
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
From: JPN
Question Fuel tanks installation of AW139

Does anybody know the reason why fuel tanks of AW139 are located not under the cabin floor like other helicopters?
I found a regulation in Easy Access Rules for Large Rotorcraft (CS-29) (Amendment 4) as follows, but I couldn't find a regulation which cleary describes to prohibit fuel tank installation undert the cabin floor.

CS 29.952 Fuel system crash resistance
(e) Separation of fuel and ignition sources. To provide maximum crash resistance, fuel must be located as far as practicable from all occupiable areas and from all potential ignition sources.
twinbird is offline  
Reply
Old 20th October 2018 | 17:27
  #2 (permalink)  
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Aviation Qualifications: A&P
Posts: 1,348
Likes: 271
From: USA
Originally Posted by twinbird
Does anybody know the reason why fuel tanks of AW139 are located not under the cabin floor like other helicopters?
I found a regulation in Easy Access Rules for Large Rotorcraft (CS-29) (Amendment 4) as follows, but I couldn't find a regulation which cleary describes to prohibit fuel tank installation undert the cabin floor.

CS 29.952 Fuel system crash resistance
(e) Separation of fuel and ignition sources. To provide maximum crash resistance, fuel must be located as far as practicable from all occupiable areas and from all potential ignition sources.
It is my understanding the certification requirements/costs to put fuel under the floor are considerably higher in a Part 29 aircraft than at other locations due to crashworthiness limits.
wrench1 is offline  
Reply
Old 21st October 2018 | 21:14
  #3 (permalink)  
25 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2000
Aviation Qualifications: ATP+Mil
Posts: 10,959
Likes: 1,814
From: EGDC
The 139 fuel tanks are essentially bags within boxes, held in place so they can deform with a vertical deceleration and, not being in the floor, are further from the impact so less likely to puncture/rupture.
crab@SAAvn.co.uk is offline  
Reply
Old 22nd October 2018 | 11:43
  #4 (permalink)  
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 209
Likes: 12
From: Underneath the Radar
There is no specific prohibition for location under 29.952, but all depends on the design. In the AW139 (much like the S-76) the fuel tanks are located aft of the passenger cabin to allow sufficient volume, and also provide easy installation of auxiliary tanks.

This same design is followed in the AW189, except that the 189 also has optional underfloor auxiliary tanks, or a belly tank.
rrekn is offline  
Reply
Old 22nd October 2018 | 16:25
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 642
Likes: 2
From: daworld
The 76 has the fuel tanks inside the cabin. The people in the rear seat sit on top of the forward section of them. Fun times doing Keel Beam replacements.
noooby is offline  
Reply
Old 24th October 2018 | 21:12
  #6 (permalink)  
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,581
Likes: 73
From: England
The 139 tanks do go under the floor in the area between the baggage bay and the cabin.On SAR aircraft the area above the tanks is used as cabin extension.
ericferret is offline  
Reply
Old 25th October 2018 | 17:14
  #7 (permalink)  
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 178
Likes: 5
From: Great White North
A few factors we considered in the early design phase of the AB139 (BAAC):

1) Medical interior is no fun when tanks are under the 'body fluid' proof, sealed floor (think Bell 412).
2) CG control always a challenge when fuel is spread-out under the floor.
3) Risk of fuel cell puncture during off site landings (stumps & others)

Fly Safe, Always
Encyclo is offline  
Reply
Old 25th October 2018 | 17:23
  #8 (permalink)  
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 522
Likes: 77
From: USA
The flange connector between the bladders is installed midway to ensure a nominal amount of fuel is available after a fuel cell puncture in the opposing tank. Gives you 30 mins-ish to get on the ground. Nice design, even considering the dreaded gray fuel on the schematic !
Sir Korsky is offline  
Reply
Old 25th October 2018 | 19:36
  #9 (permalink)  
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 418
Likes: 17
From: Australia
Does anyone have a schematic they could post up? I'd be interested to see it.
Kulwin Park is offline  
Reply
Old 25th October 2018 | 21:04
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
From: Aberdeen
Originally Posted by Kulwin Park
Does anyone have a schematic they could post up? I'd be interested to see it.
if you google it a good video comes up explaining the 139 fuel system. Not quite a schematic though.
Helifixa is offline  
Reply
Old 25th October 2018 | 22:40
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,003
Likes: 16
From: Here
AW139 crash resistant fuel system

Originally Posted by Helifixa
if you google it a good video comes up explaining the 139 fuel system. Not quite a schematic though.
There is a very good looking video of the fuel system regarding it's operation.


I cannot find anything that clearly shows the location of the tanks in the airframe or any description of the crash resistant features of it.

If anyone knows ... :-)

Thanks.
jimjim1 is offline  
Reply
Old 26th October 2018 | 01:19
  #12 (permalink)  
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 522
Likes: 77
From: USA


all I can find - hope it helps. Tanks are rubber bladder type and resistant to tearing. They are held in place with Velcro strapping.
Sir Korsky is offline  
Reply
Old 26th October 2018 | 16:54
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 642
Likes: 2
From: daworld
There are a couple pieces of velcro to help hold up the vertical leg of the tank but the tank is actually restrained in the fuselage with the tried and trusted method of lacing it in with para-cord.
noooby is offline  
Reply

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.