SE CAT flights at Night quiz

[krypton_john]

Originally Posted by SASless

Really?

If the engine fails in a single engine aircraft....day or night....you are guaranteed a landing.

The difficulty at night particularly is making a safe landing.

OK may I re-phrase my attempted quick comment into a wordy one then? In the dark it's hard to identify a suitable, open, smooth surfaced area, free of obstacles and wires to autorotate into, it's hard to gauge the wind direction and it's hard to judge the flare.

And after you have done all that it's probably going to be hard to walk away from it!

[aa777888]

COCISS? .

[Robbiee]

Originally Posted by Thomas coupling

The ONLY place for an unstabilsed SE helo in this (safety conscious) day and age is day VFR, COCISS.

Glad we Yanks haven't progressed to your day and age!

[Flying Bull]

Originally Posted by aa777888

COCISS? .

Clear
of
Cloud
in
sight of
surface

[Thomas coupling]

Robbie
Thats why you yanks will continue to make CFIT a sport.
And please don't tell me you fly a robbo as well?

[SASless]

TC,

Please do explain how you arrived at that conclusion?

CFIT accidents never happen in the UK or EASA Land?

[malabo]

Stabilized as the solution? We flew Day/Night IFR for years on medvac with unstabilized Bell222UT. Never an issue. Even did the odd single-pilot hard IFR night flight, just for the challenge. After all, it was certified for single-pilot IFR. Have since seen lots of stabilized 139, 92, 76’s stove in CFIT.
Try again.

[Robbiee]

Originally Posted by Thomas coupling

Robbie
Thats why you yanks will continue to make CFIT a sport.
And please don't tell me you fly a robbo as well?

Yep I do. Over 300 CFIT free night hours, mostly sight seeing flights around a nicely lighted city in the little old R22, plus about 180 of that is night xc, and yep, still in the 22.

We yanks do a lot of night tours in Robbo's and Jetboxes. CFIT is for HEMS

Now excuse me while I find some wood to knock on

[SASless]

TC....how many night and IMC hours did the US Army fly in OH-6, 13, 23, UH-1, H-19,21, 25, 34, TH-55, and TH-57's? The odd couple of Million or so.....all single engine and un-stabilized....some with only basic instruments and a mag compass.

I am thinking your fingers are operating independently of your brain again.

[SFIM]

Stabilized as the solution? We flew Day/Night IFR for years on medvac with unstabilized Bell222UT. Never an issue. Even did the odd single-pilot hard IFR night flight, just for the challenge. After all, it was certified for single-pilot IFR. Have since seen lots of stabilized 139, 92, 76’s stove in CFIT.
Try again.

if you don’t have the visual references then the stabilisation clearly increases safety, and its very easy to lose the visual references at night as you can’t see the cloud coming or the unlit terrain as in the 1982 accident above.

i have 750 hours at night in a mixture of stabilised and unstabilised platforms.

[homonculus]

On the nail SFIM, but stabilisation has nothing to do with CFIT because if you lose it in an unstabilised cab it isnt CFIT but UFIT - totally uncontrolled. How can stabilisation prevent CFIT?

And for the record single engine IFR is totally acceptable to the CAA - ask the boys at Kemble

[SFIM]

And for the record single engine IFR is totally acceptable to the CAA - ask the boys at Kemble

as I said twice above i agree the number of engines is not relevant especially modern turbines.

[Thomas coupling]

SAS: Them there's mil pilots, mate.
BIG difiference between mil drivers @ night unstab and the lumpen proletariat in their Meccano kits @ night/Unstab.

Hi Homonculus, how's life in the medical world?

Stab at night 'assists' the pilot when he/she has a 'wobbly'....and loses SA. It's that little difference between life and death at times!
Who you talking about @ Kemble?

As for you Malabo - not biting!

[AnFI]

OP it was stopped in 1988 in UK, but not as a result of any accident

some strange statements on here
- like the idea that you can't see clouds coming - of course you can see where there aren't clouds.
- like the mention of engines, not relevant
- stabilisation, are we breeding a generation that cant fly without stabilisation?

[Robbiee]

Originally Posted by AnFI

OP it was stopped in 1988 in UK, but not as a result of any accident

some strange statements on here
- like the idea that you can't see clouds coming - of course you can see where there aren't clouds.

Ha! funny

[haihio]

I’ve flown at night in Robbies and aircraft that are suppose to be ifr capable like as355 f models. I think the 355 without the autopilot and trim is more unsteady and unstabilised than an r22.