Heli went bathing

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I've made plenty of mistakes but there are mistakes and there are mistakes - ones that end up with a written off aircraft (but thankfully an OK pilot) need something more than just a shrug of the shoulders and an opening of the chequebook.

Perhaps commercial aviation is different but in the military, if a pilot crashed an aircraft like that simply due to a handling/SA error, there would be a lot of questions asked of him and his supervisors/trainers.

[Bellrider]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

So, no malfunction and operating in a familiar area with known obstructions and the helicopter is a write-off - bet his employers are really happy with him...............

Air Zermatt is one of the most professionell heli companies in the world!
So they will know very well what they will do..
But for shure Crab, they will be very happy if you will call them by phone and give some advices how to train their pilots........
( [phone])
Greetings from the alps.......

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So no questions should be asked when the ‘most professional’ company spanks in a helicopter in a familiar and seemingly benign area????????
Doesnt sound like a safety management system in action to me.

[SuperF]

And none of us have ever heard of a military helicopter getting "spanked in" during what civil operators consider exceptionally benign operations.

But i am guessing that Air Zermatt have a few guys with a bit of experience that will be having a look at what happened and why. An i am pretty sure that they wont be doing their analysis on an internet gossip forum...

[KiwiNedNZ]

Actually Crab I am here with the crews at Air Zermatt, Gerold the CEO is a very good friend of mine. I actually posed the question to him yesterday about the accident and if any repercussions for Andreas who was flying. He said no as we are all fallible. They will analyse the accident, what happened, what should be done to ensure it doesn't happen again and move forward. As he said no point in firing a pilot who has thousands of hours mountain flying as then you have to start from scratch with someone else. Bottom line Air Zermatt a very good professional company with a LOT of very experienced pilots. Considering they operate in a pretty hostile environment year round I am actually surprised there are not more incidents. They take training to the highest level and need to when you are doing a HEC rescue on the side of the Matterhorn at 13,000ft in the middle of the night in **** weather. Anyway thats just some FYI. Cheers,

[henra]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

So no questions should be asked when the ‘most professional’ company spanks in a helicopter in a familiar and seemingly benign area????????
Doesnt sound like a safety management system in action to me.

And how do you know that they are not asking him any questions?
I'm a bit puzzled that for you an existing Safety Management system manifests itself in publicly (in an internet forum) crucifying a pilot who made an error?

[heliduck]

Originally Posted by KiwiNedNZ

. He said no as we are all fallible. They will analyse the accident, what happened, what should be done to ensure it doesn't happen again and move forward,

Excellent outcome, in my experience good people generally become good operators/employers.

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Kiwined - no need to be quite so defensive, if Air Zermat are doing what you say then they are doing exactly what I would expect from a professional outfit. They are analysing the reasons for the accident and working to ensure they can prevent it happening in the future. That may or may not involve rebriefing or retraining for the pilot involved..

Night mountain rescues are not exactly new to me and I am well aware how well trained you need to be to do them.

[KiwiNedNZ]

Not being defensive at all, merely making some comments.