Is everyone in EASAland fitting 8.33 radios and disabling their 25Khz kit??
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Is everyone in EASAland fitting 8.33 radios and disabling their 25Khz kit??
It's law in the EASA world to have 8.33 compliant kit from 01/01/18 (excluding the feds and mil (of course)).
Lots of people I speak to don't seem to be bothering. Are you?
Lots of people I speak to don't seem to be bothering. Are you?
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Yep. Another tax on aviation for no discernible benefit. The 20% contribution from European funds is pathetic but better than nothing I suppose.
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well somewhat lucky the Garmin GNS 430 was a simple reprogram. To replace the King KY196A with a 196 b is £ 6500 !!!!!!! While to replace a King KX165 Nav comm is only £ 4500 where oh where do they get those figures from. Not a tax I thought highway robbery had been outlawed 2 centuries ago
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Documentation online seems to imply that the 8.33 frequencies will be substantially cheaper for ground stations. Airfields looking to save money will move to these thus ensuring enforced compliance (even if it is not done via maintainers, ARC renewal etc).
I'd expect the prices will then slide back up again.....
I'd expect the prices will then slide back up again.....
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There is no way the pricing is justifiable with the cost of components etc.
If priced in sensibly they would sell a larger volume rather than try to mod old kit.
I think it was Motorola that said, Once a product was worked on the MTBF went down by a significant factor.
But keep thinking just because it's aircraft it costs & it is quality equipment
Not quite comparable but marine equipment is peanuts in comparison.
Land mobile equipment also.
If priced in sensibly they would sell a larger volume rather than try to mod old kit.
I think it was Motorola that said, Once a product was worked on the MTBF went down by a significant factor.
But keep thinking just because it's aircraft it costs & it is quality equipment
Not quite comparable but marine equipment is peanuts in comparison.
Land mobile equipment also.
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AOPA hasa worked out a very good plan. 8.33 is not necessary.
Eurocontrol liked it very much but France, the UK and Germany voted against a European frequency plan.
They argued that aviation frequencies are a matter of national sovereignty.
Eurocontrol liked it very much but France, the UK and Germany voted against a European frequency plan.
They argued that aviation frequencies are a matter of national sovereignty.
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The Garmin 430 & 530 can be configured to and from 8.33 by the user; it can be done in flight if required.
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PDR
You need to be careful here as 500e really does know what he is talking about when it comes to radios and frequencies !
You obviously have no idea how us aircraft owners are tucked up by the manufacturers, whom see to think we are doing them a favour by buying their products.
You need to be careful here as 500e really does know what he is talking about when it comes to radios and frequencies !
You obviously have no idea how us aircraft owners are tucked up by the manufacturers, whom see to think we are doing them a favour by buying their products.
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PDR
In that case please justify the following
On a 269 a steel tube 12 inches long with a hole at each end $ 1350
Switch from a 500 $135 same part number from Farnell £ 1.95
Pressure switch on a 109 air conditioning system $ 14500 yes $14500
Now to radios why does a military frequency hopping radio cost less than an airborne 8.33 radio ?
If I want to put 1:50k maps on a Bendix King sat nav they told me I wanted the ......... which would be £ 20k. I bought an iPad with the software in it for £ 400
Nice work if you can get it. The manufacturers don't really get it, they are starting to price things out of the market. Another example for you MD helicopters had just stopped outside overhaul agencies overhauling their main transmissions. Guess what the price just gone up from $ 85k to $ 125k strange really
Yes I might be moaning about it but this keeps going on there will not be an industry left soon. I can't put my prices up by 50% !!!!
In that case please justify the following
On a 269 a steel tube 12 inches long with a hole at each end $ 1350
Switch from a 500 $135 same part number from Farnell £ 1.95
Pressure switch on a 109 air conditioning system $ 14500 yes $14500
Now to radios why does a military frequency hopping radio cost less than an airborne 8.33 radio ?
If I want to put 1:50k maps on a Bendix King sat nav they told me I wanted the ......... which would be £ 20k. I bought an iPad with the software in it for £ 400
Nice work if you can get it. The manufacturers don't really get it, they are starting to price things out of the market. Another example for you MD helicopters had just stopped outside overhaul agencies overhauling their main transmissions. Guess what the price just gone up from $ 85k to $ 125k strange really
Yes I might be moaning about it but this keeps going on there will not be an industry left soon. I can't put my prices up by 50% !!!!
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PDR1,
Thats what the manufacturers want you to believe and is probably close to reality but does not reflect the "price".
Unfortunately they have been caught out throwing a dart at a phone book as well to price things as to who knows why.
Maybe they actually cannot be arsed to work it out on cost plus and just what they think it is worth as a guess.
Boeing got seriously embarrassed many years ago ripping off the US Gummint.
They have a special secret formula.
Hughes 500,
I first worked on 369 and 269 models for a national distributor probably 40 years ago.
The prices were beyond comprehension then as now.
The current model (AHD) that I work with also beggars belief as to how you could operate it "commercially".
Thats what the manufacturers want you to believe and is probably close to reality but does not reflect the "price".
Unfortunately they have been caught out throwing a dart at a phone book as well to price things as to who knows why.
Maybe they actually cannot be arsed to work it out on cost plus and just what they think it is worth as a guess.
Boeing got seriously embarrassed many years ago ripping off the US Gummint.
They have a special secret formula.
Hughes 500,
I first worked on 369 and 269 models for a national distributor probably 40 years ago.
The prices were beyond comprehension then as now.
The current model (AHD) that I work with also beggars belief as to how you could operate it "commercially".
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PDR1, I have just worked it out,
Sounds like you supply this equipment so you are on the gravy train and have an axe to grind!
Having recently (OK, six years ago) been involved in bringing some military aircraft into compliance with the 8.33kHz requirement
