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HNZ wins SAR in Oz

Old 15th Oct 2017, 20:51
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At the moment I don’t think it matters what the requirements are. They aren’t providing anything remotely SAR like.
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 00:20
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Originally Posted by industry insider View Post
What is the contracted service Crab?
Insider - if you remember way back at the start of this thread.....HNZ’s own press release from Don Wall, President and Chief Executive Officer of HNZ Group said -
“We are very excited to expand our S-92 operations in Broome to include full all-weather search and rescue services.”

So apparently the contracted service is for full all weather search and rescue.

You may have to scroll back some time in the thread as the “very excited” Mr Wall made that statement in May. I wonder how thrilled he is now?
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 00:48
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
As I understand it the contract is to provide AWSAR.

As I'm reliably informed by a mate next door, BRS would have had 24/7 AWSAR in place by now. Which was certainly something I was looking forward to having available, given the number of offshore flights we are doing, to effectively the middle of nowhere, cyclone season almost upon us and thousands of workers offshore.


As anyone who has crewed 24/7 AWSAR in the past will know it is 10 times more involved and difficult than LIMSAR, given the requirements for a bunch of gap analysis, risk assessments, CASA manual approvals and CASA exemptions etc. If HNZ are struggling to get day only LIMSAR up and running some 6 months late they will be in for a big shock when they move onto AWSAR, it just ain't easy and nor should it be, compared to offshore flights it has a significantly higher risk profile.


It can take months just to get exemptions trough CASA legal and then parliament, which cant be submitted until all manuals, training material etc is fully CASA approved. I cant see the service being available until the back end of next year, which is a shame. If there is anytime its needed that time is now, as Crab rightly points out we just have to hope that no ditching occurs on one of the later afternoon runs, a man overboard offshore at night or a serious injury on one of the many support vessels without a helideck.


Personally I don't like leaving things to chance.....anyway here's hoping!!
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 00:54
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Originally Posted by trackdirect View Post
Why is it that HNZ are always asking for rated guys, is no one willing to train anyone anymore? Can't expect to pay peanuts and not invest in training staff, only trying to poach rated guys from other contracts so they can keep profits high!!

Those days are long gone....
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 02:01
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Originally Posted by Brother View Post
Twisty



I wasnt going to comment but you blokes are making me laugh so much i cant get to sleep for my early shift. PHI and HNZ, both in business 60 years incapable of providing sar and BRS the only ones who know what they are doing? and pay extra to get the job done? maybe that's why BRS is losing all its work.

Crab

this a basically a repeat of your last post, are you ok or do you need to the clock test?
You can debate whether HNZ are capable of providing the service. What is fact is they are relying on others to provide the service currently. Even had CHC providing basic Rig day transfers in the last few days, I understand. (Due the S92 issue)

As far as “paying extra to get the job done”.
Surely the client has paid (the “new era” cheap) price to get the job done(SAR and transfers). When HNZ can’t do it (temporarily we would assume), someone is paying (extra) BRS and CHC to do it.
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 05:11
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Is the Broome operation/contracts unique in having an AWSAR requirement?
Of all the offshore locations I've worked, plus those of pilots who I've trained, not one of those gigs had an AWSAR requirement. Limited night offshore MEDEVAC capability was the maximum extent of any requirement, no SAR, no winching, nothing. Just fly out to the rig/s at night under IFR weather and recover a patient to shore. The offshore workers understood this, that's why they're on the big bucks.
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 05:35
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
As I understand it the contract is to provide AWSAR.
Because your only source of [questionable] information is PPRuNe.
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 05:38
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Originally Posted by ersa View Post
Those days are long gone....
They have trained several for the contract in Broome, but why anyone would ask for as little experience as possible............???


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Old 16th Oct 2017, 08:16
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Because your only source of [questionable] information is PPRuNe.
yes, of course it is.............................

You know the internet is bigger than just PPRuNe, right?
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 10:14
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Originally Posted by hookesjoint View Post
As anyone who has crewed 24/7 AWSAR in the past will know it is 10 times more involved and difficult than LIMSAR, given the requirements for a bunch of gap analysis, risk assessments, CASA manual approvals and CASA exemptions etc. If HNZ are struggling to get day only LIMSAR up and running some 6 months late they will be in for a big shock when they move onto AWSAR, it just ain't easy and nor should it be, compared to offshore flights it has a significantly higher risk profile.
I couldn't agree more Hookesjoint. Whilst the capabilities of the modern aircraft we're seeing nowadays makes overwater SAR at night & in adverse weather a much safer thing than in the past, it's still nothing to be taken lightly as has been sadly demonstrated by the loss of R116 in March (& I'm not for a moment suggesting the ICC took their job lightly)
I sincerely hope that all players keep their focus on what's important & that's staying safe out there!
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 14:11
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Gullibell,

Shell has full AWSAR cover now on a number of its operations, Gulf of Mexico and Brunei being two examples.
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 10:43
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As I understand it the contract is to provide AWSAR.
Wrong Crab, no awsar until next year. You dont know this area so funny how you are such an expert sitting in England.

Twisty

When HNZ can’t do it (temporarily we would assume), someone is paying (extra) BRS and CHC to do it.
inpex uses HNZ and BRS as helicopter companies so while BRS covers limsar we are covering more offshore runs which they would be doing. So i don't think it costs extra for BRS to do limsar.
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 11:24
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Slightly off topic and apologies for that but with this many Aus experts, who is flying the Chevron work in the GAB at the moment? I heard a couple of rumours about that too.

Last edited by nowherespecial; 17th Oct 2017 at 11:25. Reason: I can't spell 'apologies' or 'the' anymore....
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 12:00
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NWS, from Friday's ABC online

Major international energy company Chevron has announced it has joined BP in abandoning plans to drill in the Great Australian Bight on South Australia's west coast.
It said while the Bight had massive potential, low oil prices had forced it to concentrate on other projects.


Chevron said the decision to ditch its $400 million plans had nothing to do with government policy, regulatory, community or environmental concerns.
So I don't think anyone is or will be flying it.
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 13:04
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II, thank you Sir. I heard Babcock had it but that wasn't so much of a rumour as a press release that was publicly announced...! Fail on my part. And there was me thinking I had some gossip...
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 10:04
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Originally Posted by nowherespecial View Post
II, thank you Sir. I heard Babcock had it but that wasn't so much of a rumour as a press release that was publicly announced...! Fail on my part. And there was me thinking I had some gossip...
Statoil are still saying they will drill before the end of 2019...
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 10:14
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Originally Posted by 212man View Post
Statoil are still saying they will drill before the end of 2019...
Best they go with an operator other than HNZ if they need AWSAR (or LIMSAR at this rate) on that time frame
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 06:15
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Originally Posted by Wreckingball View Post
Best they go with an operator other than HNZ if they need AWSAR (or LIMSAR at this rate) on that time frame
good point I reckon they would be well into decommissioning by the time HNZ would be ready to go!!
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 07:28
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inpex uses HNZ and BRS as helicopter companies so while BRS covers limsar we are covering more offshore runs which they would be doing. So i don't think it costs extra for BRS to do limsar.
so the logical thing to do would be to dump HNZ and use BRS for transfers AND you would get AWSAR as well.
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 08:34
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
so the logical thing to do would be to dump HNZ and use BRS for transfers AND you would get AWSAR as well.
Are you confident that BRS have the ability to hold a genuine AWSAR service out of Broome?
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