Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Rotorheads
Reload this Page >

lies, damn lies and autogyro accident rates?

Wikiposts
Search
Rotorheads A haven for helicopter professionals to discuss the things that affect them

lies, damn lies and autogyro accident rates?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 29th May 2017, 09:09
  #41 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Crawley
Age: 66
Posts: 190
Received 27 Likes on 13 Posts
Accident rate.

I see many paraglider crashes which go unreported, so it would be hard to estimate the accident rate. A friend did a cross-country flight on a P/G in the southern England rough air of 21st May, suffering innumerable canopy collapses but never low enough to hit the ground, therefore never reported. The airframe (there is little or no frame) is rarely damaged when hitting the ground, unlike the pilots.
nevillestyke is offline  
Old 29th May 2017, 09:15
  #42 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: UK
Age: 67
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
person with no name I dont think anyone is stone throwing, just discussing,
single seaters pilots or 2 seaters neither are in anyway knowlage superior.

you quote an accident from 1996 clearly a brain fart, with no prerotation at all ! very strange. back then, before modern 2 seat machines were available, I recall much training at that time was carried out solo. you built a machine and having never flown before turned up to learn and commenced solo training. You could, taxi, wheel balance, take off and circuit all solo having never flown before. It's no wonder there were accidents.
before the glasgow report, on CLT, air command instability, illegal flying and sometimes instruction by a guy who had done it before. this resulted in a number of bent blades of course. Much has changed since then for the better.
But I think we are now talking about the present day, the current situation.
Currently, (in the last few years) a number of 2 seat machines have experienced similar types of accidents.
We will see if the instructor hour (which is very valuable) and the safety leaflet works. The point I am making is that generally when an accident pattern is found in aviation the powers that be make a change to something to prevent a repeat accident. I'm not sure that an instructor hour and aleaflet is a change. the instructor hour is not a pass or fail and a leaflt is advice. I may be wrong but I dont think the take off "system" has changed. It's the system/techniquue that I dont like. "If you accurately follow this sequence it will work". and it does 99.9% of the time. just like airliners, procedures work, but the airFrance south atlantic crash the pilots simply forgot they were flying an aircraft and not a computer, then the extra pilot arrived on the flight deck and realised they were stalled, He was thinking "aircraft, and how it works" rather than procedure. Same with the guy that raised the flaps on the Heathrow accident, he was thinking aircraft, wings, drag, stretch the glide rather than procedure and he saved many lives.
some in the US say always land tail wheel first as it will straighten up the gyro and eliminate drift upon landing thus reducing the chance of a tip over, I'm not sure on that one, (I would rather use my rudder to get rid of drift)
SandL is offline  
Old 29th May 2017, 10:04
  #43 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: NT
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
(I would rather use my rudder to get rid of drift)

Not me.......rudder will turn nose to left or right, but drift will still occur. Tilting blades to control drift ( tilt left if drifting right, tilt right if drifting left )
Using rudder to stop drift when landing, will have your machine yawed left or right as you land......next step is over you go. Rudder "aligns machine".....rotors take machine where you want it.
5179 is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.