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Old 24th Mar 2017, 12:19
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Originally Posted by catch21 View Post
Can you confirm western face? Previous communications have said the area of interest is to the east?
Look at marine traffic and you will see

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Old 24th Mar 2017, 12:19
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Originally Posted by cncpc View Post
If it intended to land at Blacksod before continuing on to the rescue site, there would have been no need to take off heavy.
I disagree based on the difference between the amount of fuel available at Dublin Airport and amount available at Blacksod. You would fuel heavy at Dublin and top-up whatever you've burnt at Blacksod to give you as much time as possible over the atlantic.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 12:29
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Originally Posted by Red5ive View Post
Doesn't the RTE report assume all the Coastguard S92's have the same spec'

Is it strange that Sligo-based R118 helicopter had been tasked at 9.40pm on Monday night to go 241km west and
R116 left Dublin at 11.02pm.
Wouldn't that mean R116 was then about two hours twenty behind R118, if you assume about an hour to get to the west coast doing about 100kts.
Not particularly. Tasking time would seem to me to be the time the coastguard picked up the phone and called the helicopter. Actual departure time of R118 could be anywhere from 10-30mins after that. Ill assume 30mins due to heavy refuelling and a departure of @ 2210
Actual departure time of R116 is known as @2300 after heavy refuel, so tasking time of say 30mins previous @2230.

The 40mins (approx) separation would (to me) be accounted for with trying to deal with the Irish military who couldn't provide top cover on the night.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 12:35
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Originally Posted by Thunderbirdsix View Post
Rescue 118 was tasked at that time but went from Sligo direct to Blacksod to refuel before heading to the ship, I would have thought that top cover should have the two S92s travelling together and not to be so far behind.
I had forgotten that point....R118 would have fuelled full at Sligo (again more fuel available there) and topped-up at Blacksod. That top-up detour again reduced the amount of time R116 would have been behind R118.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 12:50
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Originally Posted by catch21 View Post
Can you confirm western face? Previous communications have said the area of interest is to the east?
Looks like an error in the report....confusion probably caused by the fact that the tail contact was with the western side of the island but the helicopter ultimately sank on the eastern side.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 13:00
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A lot of coastline activity by SAR helicopter and RNLI lifeboats in the past 2 hours or so. Huge area being searched.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 13:40
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So it is quite possible that they knew Blackrock was there, used it as an IP for a teardrop letdown, flew out to the West and then turned inbound, got 'visual' (no NVD) benath and then manoeuvered towards Blacksod but hit Blackrock, lost the TR and ended up in the water.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 15:12
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Very extensive search currently underway around Achill Island and the mainland coastline. Several vessels and SAR helis too, checking every inlet and bay.
No information as to cause, perhaps routine due to the first day of decent weather.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 15:13
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I suspect you may be right Crab. I guess it will all come out very soon anyway. RIP.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 16:01
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Katie Hannon of RTE did the Primetime report mentioned previously, made this comment:

Katie Hannon‏Verified account @KatieGHannon 15h15 hours ago

@rheadon @RTE_PrimeTime I agree. That's why we were v careful not to engage in speculation. Report only referred to facts we could verify.
https://twitter.com/KatieGHannon/sta...54950409424897


Dives on wreckage begin off Blackrock island
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...land-1.3023182


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Pat McGrath rtenews -
https://twitter.com/patmcgrath

#blacksod

#R116

#Rescue116
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 18:40
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Flight recorder recovered according to Rte news
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 18:40
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Black box flight recorder has been recovered in very good condition it will be taken to the UK for analysis, no mention yet of the crew
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 19:08
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 20:59
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If doing an ARA approach...No Radar target On the Radar...no approach.
GPS waypoints are secondary when doing an ARA. Radar is primary.
Offset away from target at 1 1/2 miles ..you do not approach the target straight on.
Loose the target ...overshoot now..with a further turn away.
Get to ARA min range and not visual ..overshoot now with a further turn away.
In my experience You don't need to play with tilt once established inbound. Gain sometimes but not often.
I think you are wandering down the wrong trail here.
What caused this tragedy is a mystery.
They have recovered the "Black Box" so hopefully we will find out further info soon.
Most folks here just want our missing brothers back. I pray they are recovered soon.
You admit to having no experience using a WX radar in GMap or any other mode so why are you speculating about it.
Not being mean ..just frustrated with a lot of the rumours, innuendo and hearsay flying around here in the last couple of days.
Please remember that there are bereaved family and friends looking at this thread, also be aware of the ever sensationalistic supposed "Gentlemen of the Press" looking for something interesting to print.

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Old 24th Mar 2017, 21:34
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BER NOOLY I don't read anyone posting that they are 100% confident of anything. What most experienced crews are trying to tell you is there are procedures that should be followed and it's difficult to accept this crew would not follow them. The radar is a fairly simple device with obvious operating requirements and limitations. All experienced crews know this so they are struggling with your continued reference to it.

However, it is rumour network so anyone can post what they like including speculation but it may irritate some people when you do.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 21:41
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Body of Coast Guard pilot Mark Duffy found inside wreckage of crashed Rescue 116 helicopter in Co Mayo - Irish Mirror Online
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 21:49
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BER NOOLY, are you struggling with the English language? I am implying nothing. I am expressing an opinion that it's hard for me to believe a simple mistake like wrongly programmed Nav kit OR mishandling the radar would be a possibility in a SAR crew such as this one. That's all. Nothing more because I know nothing.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 22:04
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BER NOOLY there are unwritten rules which you should follow. The first is to show some respect for fellow aviators who have succumbed to the difficult environment that they operate in. The second is to show some restraint in your speculations.

Your last post included examples of previous flight crew errors leading to accidents and loss of life. How would you feel if your it was your friends, family, loved ones missing at the moment reading your last post.

The definition of an idiot, is failure to learn!
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 22:05
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"A haven for helicopter professionals to discuss things that affect them". It would be good to get back on track.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 22:12
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Originally Posted by Ber Nooly View Post
I notice another of my posts has been deleted. Guess this thread is only for rotorheads.
Your questions, whilst interesting, are detracting from a specific thread and would be better placed elsewhere. Others have hinted that you restrain from off topic tangents, hence I have deleted such posts and will continue to do so where appropriate.

This is not open for discussion.
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