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I'm really struggling to think why a standard approach to Blacksod would be via Blackrock, as you say you think happened. If it was good VFR you'd not need the Blackrock light as you'd have Blacksod. And if you were IFR why choose a rock to pass over that was 300ft higher than anything else within several miles? It's not as if it had a VOR or NDB on it. Seems a bit of a stretch to think it was perhaps because you could identify it on radar better than anywhere closer. And then surely backed up GPS would be more reliable anyway? Ideas - anyone?
I'm really struggling to think why a standard approach to Blacksod would be via Blackrock, as you say you think happened. If it was good VFR you'd not need the Blackrock light as you'd have Blacksod. And if you were IFR why choose a rock to pass over that was 300ft higher than anything else within several miles? It's not as if it had a VOR or NDB on it. Seems a bit of a stretch to think it was perhaps because you could identify it on radar better than anywhere closer. And then surely backed up GPS would be more reliable anyway? Ideas - anyone?
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The fuselage has now been lifted and is on board the Granuaille. No sign of the missing crew.
Wreckage of Coast Guard helicopter R116 lifted from sea
Wreckage of Coast Guard helicopter R116 lifted from sea
HC, from what I hear from from a few friends of mine, not just a Bristows issue, quite a few delayed flights being reported from the hummingbirds with HUMS test flights being the reason.
Bristows and Scotia use the new SGBA software and as far as I'm aware, Babcock use the old software (and limited to 3FH downloads) - There may be a few bugs in the new Software if it's 2 out of the 3 that are having problems with HUMS delays.
Bristows and Scotia use the new SGBA software and as far as I'm aware, Babcock use the old software (and limited to 3FH downloads) - There may be a few bugs in the new Software if it's 2 out of the 3 that are having problems with HUMS delays.
HC, from what I hear from from a few friends of mine, not just a Bristows issue, quite a few delayed flights being reported from the hummingbirds with HUMS test flights being the reason.
Bristows and Scotia use the new SGBA software and as far as I'm aware, Babcock use the old software (and limited to 3FH downloads) - There may be a few bugs in the new Software if it's 2 out of the 3 that are having problems with HUMS delays.
Bristows and Scotia use the new SGBA software and as far as I'm aware, Babcock use the old software (and limited to 3FH downloads) - There may be a few bugs in the new Software if it's 2 out of the 3 that are having problems with HUMS delays.
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Marine Traffic, might need paid account to access all data you want
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais...:SAR_250002902
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...rmen-1.3034179
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais...:SAR_250002902
‘Deep disappointment’ at failure to find missing Rescue 116 airmen
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The wreckage of the Irish Coast Guard helicopter which crashed last month has been recovered from the sea.
Dive teams still haven't managed to locate the two missing crew members, Ciaran Smith and Paul Ormsby, but searchers say they won't give up.
The Irish Coast Guard's Gerard O'Flynn says the fuselage from Rescue 116 has now been lifted on board the Irish Lights' vessel the Granuaile.
that was picked up by a tug, by a company based in Bere Island in Cork. They were working with us over the last day or two.
"It's been transferred onto the Granuaile and is now in the custody of the Air Accident Investigation Unit and they will determine it's final location to facilitate their own investigation," he said.
Addressing the media after last night's operation, Jurgen Whyte from the Air Accident Investigation Unit said lifting the wreckage was a difficult and hazardous operation, which required special skills.
"What we did actually retrieve is the rotor head, the main gearbox, one engine, and associated wreckage around that.
"It was what we expected to lift. The lifting was a really extreme and hazardous environment and I really have to compliment all the people that were involved," he said
The Granuaile arrives back into Blacksod, Co. Mayo, Ireland, with wreckage from Coastguard helicopter Rescue 116 onboard. Photo: Brian Lawless/PA Wire
Dive teams still haven't managed to locate the two missing crew members, Ciaran Smith and Paul Ormsby, but searchers say they won't give up.
The Irish Coast Guard's Gerard O'Flynn says the fuselage from Rescue 116 has now been lifted on board the Irish Lights' vessel the Granuaile.
that was picked up by a tug, by a company based in Bere Island in Cork. They were working with us over the last day or two.
"It's been transferred onto the Granuaile and is now in the custody of the Air Accident Investigation Unit and they will determine it's final location to facilitate their own investigation," he said.
Addressing the media after last night's operation, Jurgen Whyte from the Air Accident Investigation Unit said lifting the wreckage was a difficult and hazardous operation, which required special skills.
"What we did actually retrieve is the rotor head, the main gearbox, one engine, and associated wreckage around that.
"It was what we expected to lift. The lifting was a really extreme and hazardous environment and I really have to compliment all the people that were involved," he said
The Granuaile arrives back into Blacksod, Co. Mayo, Ireland, with wreckage from Coastguard helicopter Rescue 116 onboard. Photo: Brian Lawless/PA Wire
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Track and altitude
Red5ive, track is depicted on post #105.
For me, outbound track is commensurate with an attempted let-down around Blackrock.
I would go with that rather than a turnback from a track out to the vessel.
Haven't seen anyone come back with info on vessel location either.
Mitchaa, I haven't seen altitudes published, what is your source?
For me, outbound track is commensurate with an attempted let-down around Blackrock.
I would go with that rather than a turnback from a track out to the vessel.
Haven't seen anyone come back with info on vessel location either.
Mitchaa, I haven't seen altitudes published, what is your source?
What is the current status of the irish SAR system? Up to this sad event there were 4 bases with 5 helicopter, so one spare aircraft. Will they get another S92 in short notice to cope for AOG?
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cncpc was looking for the Blacksod approach that they normally do.
Ah yes, isn't one flight having to give up S-92 in favour of the contracted AW189?
Two flights.
Two AW139 from CHC at Lee stood down a few days ago. Another from Portland shortly. In the Bristow stand-in fleet there are four S-92A and four A139. In some cases there will be a bit of musical chairs going on internally. Also, none of this is really news, so some in the industry may have had their eye on these for a while. I would still expect these changes to generate opportunities for a fleet seeking to fill a gap.
Two AW139 from CHC at Lee stood down a few days ago. Another from Portland shortly. In the Bristow stand-in fleet there are four S-92A and four A139. In some cases there will be a bit of musical chairs going on internally. Also, none of this is really news, so some in the industry may have had their eye on these for a while. I would still expect these changes to generate opportunities for a fleet seeking to fill a gap.
Yes, that is one thing, however it seems that at Dublin departure the aircraft was outbound direct the vessel. If that is true, then it is coincidence that Blackrock was below the track. Given the considerable head start R118 had out of Sligo, R116 stopping at Blacksod to refuel would have placed it far behind R118 and the top cover intent would at best have meant a com link as R118 returned.
At some point, it is apparent that neither R116 or Shannon relay attempts can raise R118 and the intention then becomes to land at Blacksod. There seems to be some evidence that that convo with Shannon took place at some time from crossing the Achill shore outbound to around Blackrock. Followed by the change in plan to go in and fuel at Blacksod, and the turn.
At that same point, there is a reprogramming of the FMS. Assuming an approach briefing.
Or they never intended to go direct the ship, and that was the approach to Blacksod. I'm one of those who find it hard to comprehend why an approach with a letdown would have a 300 foot rock in it at all, given that there was a whole ocean out there with nothing to hit.
The last heading does seem to point pretty well into the middle of Blacksod Bay.
Hopefully the CVR will clarify most of this.
At some point, it is apparent that neither R116 or Shannon relay attempts can raise R118 and the intention then becomes to land at Blacksod. There seems to be some evidence that that convo with Shannon took place at some time from crossing the Achill shore outbound to around Blackrock. Followed by the change in plan to go in and fuel at Blacksod, and the turn.
At that same point, there is a reprogramming of the FMS. Assuming an approach briefing.
Or they never intended to go direct the ship, and that was the approach to Blacksod. I'm one of those who find it hard to comprehend why an approach with a letdown would have a 300 foot rock in it at all, given that there was a whole ocean out there with nothing to hit.
The last heading does seem to point pretty well into the middle of Blacksod Bay.
Hopefully the CVR will clarify most of this.
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The missing crew members is awful news for their families. I wonder if Mark tried to keep some minimum of control whilst ordering the others to jump clear.
Here in Ireland the crew and their families remain very much in everybody's thoughts.
Here in Ireland the crew and their families remain very much in everybody's thoughts.
No chance. Once the tail rotor suddenly departs the scene, especially at night, and when you're that close to the ground, everybody becomes a passenger. There would have been no plan or action to jump clear. They weren't even able to get out an emergency radio call things happened so quickly.