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Old 21st Oct 2018, 18:14
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Originally Posted by JohnDixson View Post
from the fellow who did the two S-92 autoís.
I saw some videos of your tests plus had a couple friends involved in the process. Big aircraft, big flare! Were you looking out the skylight to get your reference?
I've been in a few Astar full autos with a big flare but can't imagine what it was like in that big tub. At least with a nose wheel you didn't ride over on the nose and rip out your pitot tube....
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 19:27
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Wrench 1 wrote:
ďAt least with a nose wheel you didn't ride over on the nose and rip out your pitot tube....Ē

Indeed an issue with some machines. Once upon a time in a place called Camp Holloway, I had a side job as unit Standardization Pilot and gave the newbies a local check ride/local procedure ride, which included some power recovery autos. The point of which was simple: the Central Highlands had a lot of red clay and in dry season the coefficient of friction of that stuff was a very big number, thus in any real auto, one wanted to get as close to zero speed as possible in the flare. One young aviator just out of Ft Rucker was really not getting it slowed down, so at the end of his flare and rock over to level I told him I had the controls and began a takeoff from say 20 kts. Put the nose down, raised the collective and got to maybe 50 ft when the T-53 stalled and the Nr drooped. Managed to get it level and used what potential energy still in the rotor to cushion, but we were going maybe 25 or so on flat red clay. Ship rolled up on its nose and broke the chin bubbles but I kept the cyclic centered so the tail was ok. New engine, plastic and skids and it flew the next day. Wasnít quite sure it wasnít going to nose over to be honest. The main rotor was very close to hitting the ground directly in front, but didnít.

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Old 21st Oct 2018, 21:26
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Secondly, let's think about when an Osprey autorotation would be necessary?
How would a one-sided transmission failure be dealt with?
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 21:50
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With regard to the license requirements I recently had a conversation with the 609 training team in Philly and showed them the CASA powered lift requirements, link below. He was a little surprised CASA already had the implementation planned, powered lift PPL, CPL and ATP all available.

Open the table of contents at the top of the page, select Volume 2, Part 61 and scroll down to the relevant license.

CASA regulations

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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 09:40
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Originally Posted by bigglesbutler View Post
With regard to the license requirements I recently had a conversation with the 609 training team in Philly and showed them the CASA powered lift requirements, link below. He was a little surprised CASA already had the implementation planned, powered lift PPL, CPL and ATP all available.

Open the table of contents at the top of the page, select Volume 2, Part 61 and scroll down to the relevant license.

CASA regulations
Technically true, but no reference to credit for other types of aircraft and currently only achievable by an ex-military PL pilot I would say (unless I missed something).
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 10:20
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50 hrs in the 609 sim and bobs your uncle, 609 type and Powered lift license. Thats how I read it but it has yet to be done so we shall have to see.

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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 16:21
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The FAA does allow for a Military Pilot to obtain a Commercial Pilot License under the "Military Competency" method.

How will that work for those Military Pilots rated in the V-22 Osprey or any of its derivatives?


https://www.faa.gov/training_testing...ia/mcn_acs.pdf
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 17:45
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Does the 609 have a traditional collective power control or is it configured with the V-22 type Blottle?
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 19:36
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Originally Posted by Jack Carson View Post
Does the 609 have a traditional collective power control or is it configured with the V-22 type Blottle?
Last time I was in the sim it had a more traditional collective, not the V-22 setup. I assume it hasnít been changed during AWís ownership of the program, but I suppose thatís possible.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 20:35
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609 and V280 use a conventional "collective" arrangement, both to ease the transition of rotary wing pilots already familiar with the setup. The TCL on V22 so far is the only implementation of the other paradigm.
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