All's well that ends well


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From: Great South East, tired and retired
Brutal:
Not sure how it is now, but when I was serving in Blue, our pilots were hugely proficient at touchdown autos, (every auto was a touchdown, unless at night or it was obviously going bad) and all were capable of a zero-speed. It's the poor civvies who rarely get training after the licence phase.
Not sure how it is now, but when I was serving in Blue, our pilots were hugely proficient at touchdown autos, (every auto was a touchdown, unless at night or it was obviously going bad) and all were capable of a zero-speed. It's the poor civvies who rarely get training after the licence phase.

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Was picked up today.
https://www.facebook.com/7newssydney...6945498996245/
https://www.facebook.com/7newssydney...6945498996245/

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From: EGDC
KJ - I would have thought that if he had full power at the end, he might have hovertaxied to a better area - if he had some power left as he pulled pitch to cushion what he expected to be an EOL, I still reckon it's bloody good flying since the judgement of the flare and cushion height would be tricky over that bushy foliage.
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Now I'm confused. Saw the pilot interviewed this afternoon and he said something like "You never know how you're going to react when you have a loss of power...or in this case a loss of transmission"! In an earlier interview he definitely said something about loss of power and autorotation.
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From: UK
I suspect he'd switched the donk off in the descent looking at the condition of the blades. Might be wrong.
Either way (EOL / auto) a fantastic bit of poling by a PPL. Congrats to the driver and if he gets to read this - the beer's on me as I'm over there for Chrimbo/NYE!!!
Your kids must think your a bloody hero!
Either way (EOL / auto) a fantastic bit of poling by a PPL. Congrats to the driver and if he gets to read this - the beer's on me as I'm over there for Chrimbo/NYE!!!
Your kids must think your a bloody hero!

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From: Australia
R44 Recovery
On the news tonight...
Maybe the nerves of being on tv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmOL...ature=youtu.be
Maybe the nerves of being on tv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmOL...ature=youtu.be
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From: Warrington, UK
and no run-on!!!
If every Military pilot could pull that landing off, I would be very surprised.

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From: Back of Bourke
Why is it the likes of serf and islandlad feel a need to jump in from the other side of the world and criticise? The pilot pulled off a pretty good result, and was flying legally in the region where the accident happened and under Australian air regs.
If you have another set of rules under which you operate, bully for you. But leave out the snide 'holier than thou' stuff, eh?
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It looks a touch windy! job well done given the circumstances.
The guys in the Bell were having trouble holding it steady in the gusts and I guess they had to pick up the Robbie again to put it fully on the trailer.
The guys in the Bell were having trouble holding it steady in the gusts and I guess they had to pick up the Robbie again to put it fully on the trailer.

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From: Aus
I'm in Australia at the moment and watched an operator flying at a popular tourist site in an R44 at least half a mile offshore in a 25kt wind-no chance of making it back to land
Aircraft properly fitted and all legal. Want a flight? You accept any associated risk, as with any endeavour.
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From: Australia sometimes
As an interesting aside ... several years ago, a friend of mine recovered (under-slung) an R44 from said pontoon following an EOL onto the water close to the reef. The previous scenic flight had been around the reef with a certain Judge (Judy) on-board. It's nice when the public get to see helicopters that aren't just "falling from the sky or exploding in mid-air".

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From: EGDC
If every Military pilot could pull that landing off, I would be very surprised
And a zero speed EOL in a jetranger is a much easier task to perform than in a Robbie
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IF this was a genuine EOL, in a Robbo and with a PPL(H) at the controls then it is an exceptional act of airmanship, he should be very proud of pulling that off, especially in front a the most precious audience in his life!
Doing a zero/zero EOL into a confined space must be the hardest act of flying a helicopter on anyone's agenda. There is absolutely ZERO room for error and you get only one pop at it.
What intrigues me is the state of the blades, for even with an EOL landing there is residual energy in the head and those blades would have made contact with something, possibly. For them to appear to be intact suggests he came to a stop fractionally above the treetops/bush and then it fell into the opening for the last several feet.
Either that or he had it craned in and his family then did a photo shoot!! For the album you understand????
Doing a zero/zero EOL into a confined space must be the hardest act of flying a helicopter on anyone's agenda. There is absolutely ZERO room for error and you get only one pop at it.
What intrigues me is the state of the blades, for even with an EOL landing there is residual energy in the head and those blades would have made contact with something, possibly. For them to appear to be intact suggests he came to a stop fractionally above the treetops/bush and then it fell into the opening for the last several feet.
Either that or he had it craned in and his family then did a photo shoot!! For the album you understand????

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From: EGDC
TC - or is it just that the height of the bushes is just below the height of the MR head? Those bushy bushes wouldn't do any damage until you got down to the harder woody bits so it is quite feasible that the EOL was real and the rotors just brushed the tops of the bushes as the Nr decayed.
Islandlad, don't be afraid to ask questions here - just ask them but phrase them nicely
Islandlad, don't be afraid to ask questions here - just ask them but phrase them nicely


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From: Brisbane, Qld, Australia
IF this was a genuine EOL, in a Robbo and with a PPL(H) at the controls then it is an exceptional act of airmanship





