EC225 crash near Bergen, Norway April 2016
If you're even a offshore helicopter pilot...some of the things you say here tells me you 're probably not...with the mockery and ridicule of peoples fear and concerns. Not a nice attitude for sure.
So if you have any questions about flight safety on the EC225 (which I flew since it first came to the N Sea, until I retired in 2013) I'll be happy to try to answer them. However if you are going to come on here making foolish, hysterical and ill-informed statements designed to whip up fear, you are going to get the respect you deserve which is not a lot.
Flight safety should be based on fact and science, not who can wail and sob the loudest.
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https://www.easa.europa.eu/newsroom-...-29-april-2016
Following a report by the Norwegian accident investigators on 1 June 2016, EASA has decided to prohibit all flights by the Airbus Helicopters H225 LP and AS332 L2 helicopters as a precautionary measure and until further information is available.
Following a report by the Norwegian accident investigators on 1 June 2016, EASA has decided to prohibit all flights by the Airbus Helicopters H225 LP and AS332 L2 helicopters as a precautionary measure and until further information is available.
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https://www.easa.europa.eu/newsroom-...-29-april-2016
Following a report by the Norwegian accident investigators on 1 June 2016, EASA has decided to prohibit all flights by the Airbus Helicopters H225 LP and AS332 L2 helicopters as a precautionary measure and until further information is available.
Following a report by the Norwegian accident investigators on 1 June 2016, EASA has decided to prohibit all flights by the Airbus Helicopters H225 LP and AS332 L2 helicopters as a precautionary measure and until further information is available.
EASA has decided to prohibit all flights by the Airbus Helicopters H225 LP and AS332 L2 helicopters as a precautionary measure and until further information is available.
Sorry, but this is bollocks! You should have read the AD 2016-0103-E and there is not a single word in regards of a suspension of TC or similar! Just a replacement of Attachment Fittings etc..
Its very confusing because the news item on the EASA web site talks about prohibiting further flight for the time being - see our AD. But the linked-to AD just talks about checking the suspension bar fittings. Where is the definitive instruction to ground the fleet?
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Yes but that is the UK CAA. The question was about whether EASA had grounded all flights which they said they had in their press release, but not in the AD published today.
Edit: Ah ok thanks, different AD. The press release links to the wrong AD.
Edit: Ah ok thanks, different AD. The press release links to the wrong AD.
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The AD (Emergency Airworthiness Directive AD No.: 2016-0104-E) landed in my Inbox just now.
The grounding of the AS 332 L2 and EC 225 LP helicopter fleet is because;
but
Now Article 1.2 of EC 216/2008 (pity about the '2016' typo in the AD; is the omission of AS 332 L2 just the same sloppiness? I wouldn't know) says;
which explains the exclusion, but it seems to me that this Article is badly thought out. Apart from military, most of the other categories are operated commercially in some if not all EU States, and should, I would have thought, be grounded just like other operators, for exactly the same reason, danger to crew, passengers and the population beneath them.
I don't know if in the UK the CAA has made any pronouncements; perhaps they have or will do so to fulfil their responsibility under that Article. Maybe each State will do that; maybe they'll even co-ordinate their response.
The grounding of the AS 332 L2 and EC 225 LP helicopter fleet is because;
a second preliminary report from the investigation board indicated metallurgical findings of fatigue and surface degradation in the outer race of a second stage planet gear of the MGB epi-cyclic module. At this time, it cannot be determined if this is a contributing causal factor or subsequent failure from another initiating factor.
Pursuant to Art.1 (2) (a) of Regulation (EC) 2016/2008, the requirement of paragraph (1) of this AD does not apply to EC 225 LP helicopters while carrying out military, customs, police, search and rescue, firefighting, coastguard or similar activities or services.
This Regulation shall not apply when products, parts, appliances, personnel and organisations referred to in paragraph 1 are engaged in military, customs, police, or similar services. The Member States shall undertake to ensure that such services have due regard as far as practicable to the objectives of this Regulation.
I don't know if in the UK the CAA has made any pronouncements; perhaps they have or will do so to fulfil their responsibility under that Article. Maybe each State will do that; maybe they'll even co-ordinate their response.
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which explains the exclusion, but it seems to me that this Article is badly thought out. Apart from military, most of the other categories are operated commercially in some if not all EU States, and should, I would have thought, be grounded just like other operators, for exactly the same reason, danger to crew, passengers and the population beneath them.
The flight crews who were happy to fly the 225 for years before the accident will almost certainly still be, for the purposes of saving life. There is already an elevated risk from being a SAR pilot, compared to an "airline" helicopter pilot.
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I would suggest that the statement in the EASA AD reference SAR/military/police operations is simply acknowledging/reminding that these operations are carried out under the authority of the NAA of the country involved, and are not subject to EASA regulations. Therefore it is up to the NAA to decide on an approptiate action. Note: SAR training is carried out under Public Transport regulations and therefore prohibited by the EASA AD.