Leicester training org and very well respected FI (E) part company
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Slander - I never said a word!
"whodictus" is correct in stating that they were paid unlike the previous company that had the contract when getting paid became an issue. I believe, happy to be corrected if wrong, someone was paid all the money owed as knowledge is power. The issue with the Leicester based company is the amount paid.
Just because something is "old hat" does not mean it is not true but that is in my opinion. The person that I know was due to have his OPC on 30 March but his last working day was 7 January 2014. That is almost 3 months and not 3-4 weeks! If "whodictus" is a pilot I hope that their maths is better when calculating pilot things as a third of a tank of fuel will not take you as far as a full tank! If "whodictus" is running a company then I would expect there to be major financial discrepancies unless their maths improve!
"crazybroadsword" I always find it better to pay for things on credit card as it gives you extra protection. With a debit card you can request a "chargeback" in certain circumstances.
The person I know started with the Leicester based company on short notice with a verbal contract and the promise of a written contract to be forthcoming. The issue of hours flown versus hours paid were not a problem as they would be rectified once on "contract". Unfortunately he was very naïve to believe that a handshake meant something between ex-service personnel.
His finishing with them coincided with an email from the company stating " ....... we need to pull the finger out at this time of year or I'll find someone who will". This was in response to an email from the customer (a large National utilities company) "...... you can be on the pipeline until last light and land by last light + 30minutes ....... if its daylight you fly". Daylight being 30 minutes before sunrise to 30 minutes after sunset
I would interpret this as "commercial pressure". Maybe I am wrong and I am happy to be corrected.
If my memory serves me correctly when operating VFR the pilots are "supposed" to be able to see certain distances both vertically and horizontally and cannot fly VFR if they cannot SEE, the clue is in the title Visual Flight Rules. I would be interested to learn how many pilots think that it is routinely acceptable to fly low level after sunset in the depth of winter - those that fly VFR in fog need not respond (and they are out there!)
Just because something is "old hat" does not mean it is not true but that is in my opinion. The person that I know was due to have his OPC on 30 March but his last working day was 7 January 2014. That is almost 3 months and not 3-4 weeks! If "whodictus" is a pilot I hope that their maths is better when calculating pilot things as a third of a tank of fuel will not take you as far as a full tank! If "whodictus" is running a company then I would expect there to be major financial discrepancies unless their maths improve!
"crazybroadsword" I always find it better to pay for things on credit card as it gives you extra protection. With a debit card you can request a "chargeback" in certain circumstances.
The person I know started with the Leicester based company on short notice with a verbal contract and the promise of a written contract to be forthcoming. The issue of hours flown versus hours paid were not a problem as they would be rectified once on "contract". Unfortunately he was very naïve to believe that a handshake meant something between ex-service personnel.
His finishing with them coincided with an email from the company stating " ....... we need to pull the finger out at this time of year or I'll find someone who will". This was in response to an email from the customer (a large National utilities company) "...... you can be on the pipeline until last light and land by last light + 30minutes ....... if its daylight you fly". Daylight being 30 minutes before sunrise to 30 minutes after sunset
I would interpret this as "commercial pressure". Maybe I am wrong and I am happy to be corrected.
If my memory serves me correctly when operating VFR the pilots are "supposed" to be able to see certain distances both vertically and horizontally and cannot fly VFR if they cannot SEE, the clue is in the title Visual Flight Rules. I would be interested to learn how many pilots think that it is routinely acceptable to fly low level after sunset in the depth of winter - those that fly VFR in fog need not respond (and they are out there!)
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Good on Mr D, he spent many a year putting up with their tosh, hopefully he has getting along nicely without them. A few times having a cup of tea at his place, before having a quick fly in the B206. And as for slander raising it's ugly head again, I believe there has been no mention of a company name. But rather funny that there are quite a few displeased people.
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I would be happy to fly 30mins before sunrise to 30mins after sunset on a VFR flight!! Just depends on the circumstances. 
But I suppose I don't know the full story on this thread.
But I suppose I don't know the full story on this thread.
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Confusion
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WNW was referring to some one else this that flew utilities, not FI in question this has caused the confusion.
WNW was referring to some one else this that flew utilities, not FI in question this has caused the confusion.
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Sorry for confusion
Yes I was referring to someone who flew "utilities" for the same company that this thread is referring to. This person held the FI in question in very high regard as in his dealings with him he was very professional and honourable.
The FI left the company for a reason and as "whodictus" seems to know so much about the "inside workings" of the company maybe "whodictus" would like to put this whole thing to bed and explain to everyone just "why did this well respected FI just up and leave?"
I was just sharing my opinion from second hand knowledge (from a number of sources) of the company that this FI worked for. After all it is the same people that one interacts with within the company be they utilities or not.
Having made my point I am now withdrawing from the debate but will monitor the outcome. Good luck with getting the truthful answer.
The FI left the company for a reason and as "whodictus" seems to know so much about the "inside workings" of the company maybe "whodictus" would like to put this whole thing to bed and explain to everyone just "why did this well respected FI just up and leave?"
I was just sharing my opinion from second hand knowledge (from a number of sources) of the company that this FI worked for. After all it is the same people that one interacts with within the company be they utilities or not.
Having made my point I am now withdrawing from the debate but will monitor the outcome. Good luck with getting the truthful answer.
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I am not an insider just someone who is aware of the damage that can be caused when both sides of a story are not visible. To me personally the people I feel for are the students who have been let down seemingly at the last moment by the FI. Does integrity mean nothing, don't you have to give notice to quit? i know I do and I guess so do most of you. It appears this did not happen thus allowing the students to turn up. I leave you to now point the finger but thing before you do so!
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Why the anger? I figured from your bold/young pilot post that there was a medical issue??
Maybe I need to get better at riddles?!
What surprises me is that given the tweets/ Facebook/ website / scholarship communications no word from the school... Which in conjunction with your last post suggests it wasn't a happy parting.
Maybe I need to get better at riddles?!
What surprises me is that given the tweets/ Facebook/ website / scholarship communications no word from the school... Which in conjunction with your last post suggests it wasn't a happy parting.
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Did He have a contract? No contract - no notice required
Integrity is not something that this FI(E) is short on but reading other posts it may not be his integrity in question.
I too feel sorry for the students involved but they have a contract with the flying school and it is up to them to fulfil their obligations or refund the students money so that they can go elsewhere.
The bottom line is that the company failed to fulfil its obligation to the students by allowing the FI(E) to be in such a contractual position that he could just walk out.
I too feel sorry for the students involved but they have a contract with the flying school and it is up to them to fulfil their obligations or refund the students money so that they can go elsewhere.
The bottom line is that the company failed to fulfil its obligation to the students by allowing the FI(E) to be in such a contractual position that he could just walk out.
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Listen to Clado!
Well said Clado, schools who demand payment in full before a course starts, usually do so because they need the cash flow. If they will not refund in full when they cancel, it may well be because they no longer have your cash. I appeal to all young wannabes not to pay upfront, no matter what the incentives / promises are made, find a school that accepts stage payments or a reasonable deposit and can be trusted with your money. Ensure that you have a written agreement of what will happen in the event of cancellation. If an ATO will not reasonably agree to such an arrangement, think long and hard before you pitch in with them.
Regardless, any outfit that will not refund advance monies immediately upon cancellation/ non delivery are not to be condoned and others should take heed. Surely, other than documented non refundable deposits, Companies have no right to retain funds placed on account. Such funds should be repayable on demand.
Regardless, any outfit that will not refund advance monies immediately upon cancellation/ non delivery are not to be condoned and others should take heed. Surely, other than documented non refundable deposits, Companies have no right to retain funds placed on account. Such funds should be repayable on demand.
Refunded in full
Well there are plenty of negative remarks on this thread.
But speak as I find.
I was originally booked onto the September FI course, which was subsequently cancelled. I received an email offering me a place on the December FI Course.
I wrote back and told them this didn't work for me.
I received the full refund within 24 hours.
Thank you yarmail.
But speak as I find.
I was originally booked onto the September FI course, which was subsequently cancelled. I received an email offering me a place on the December FI Course.
I wrote back and told them this didn't work for me.
I received the full refund within 24 hours.
Thank you yarmail.
To be fair getting a refund is ultimately a given when the service that was offered couldn't be delivered. The question asked some days ago was why this guy has decided to stop working for Leicester. It seems that getting an answer to that in simple, un-riddled language, is proving hard. That suggests either people don't really know or there is a story behind the departure.
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I find it a bit odd that they haven't got someone else in after this length of time, as turning people away because they can't provide an FI course must be costly for the business especially as they claim to be in desperate need of instructors due to sheer numbers of students?? Are the other examiners refusing to go there for some reason?
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In conversation today someone mentioned that the school in question has decided to stop providing the FI course and concentrate on the PPL and CPL courses only. Sounds like a good opportunity for other schools who are able to provide the instructors rating, although it makes a bit of a mess of the FI scholarship they were offering for next year?
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Well if the rumour is true, then by taking away the instructor route would not be a particular bright thing to do. I do not think they would do that. But then again if there was something behind the departing of mr D, then the other F.I instructors or examiners would be a little cautious, like mr G, mr B or mr S, just to name a few.
And sometimes they do not like to come and do their business on another mans area, unless it is for a rather a lot of money. But most have integrity because they know later on they would be the ones who may require help.
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And sometimes they do not like to come and do their business on another mans area, unless it is for a rather a lot of money. But most have integrity because they know later on they would be the ones who may require help.
Fluffy
