AW139 G-LBAL helicopter crash in Gillingham, Norfolk
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I reckon we have to modify that axiom that has been bandied about here in the past that sets forth the real priorities for a Professional Pilot.
"Ass, Tin, Ticket" to become "Ass, Tin, Ticket, Paycheck!"
Ass meaning Yourself.
Tin meaning the Aircraft.
Ticket meaning your Flying License.
Paycheck meaning your Job/Wage Packet.
Your Decision Making Process should flow in that order with keeping your Job being the very last thing you worry yourself about.
"Ass, Tin, Ticket" to become "Ass, Tin, Ticket, Paycheck!"
Ass meaning Yourself.
Tin meaning the Aircraft.
Ticket meaning your Flying License.
Paycheck meaning your Job/Wage Packet.
Your Decision Making Process should flow in that order with keeping your Job being the very last thing you worry yourself about.
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Yes, I hope we all agree on that order of priorities!
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
where does that say they are duplicating the scissors? It says the sperical bearing in the lower half of the scissors
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Better One that does not break than Two rather feeble scissors, where one is envisioned as breaking but imunity being supplied from a more feeble link than would otherwise be the case.
Simplex can be safer, counterintuitive though it may seem.
(Seems unlikely this was a scissor failure tho' , more likely to be a (pointless, innapropriate) Cat A Takeoff.)
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I've bitten my tongue long enough.....
"Rather feeble"? How would you support that comment?
Surely, it comes from an advanced engineering degree and the tech specs on the component in question!
Single engine
Single scissor
Single minded!
"Rather feeble"? How would you support that comment?
Surely, it comes from an advanced engineering degree and the tech specs on the component in question!
Single engine
Single scissor
Single minded!
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yup single mined.
those scissors look feeble are they actually duplicated for redundancy do you know? Or worse does it actually need both of them to be working for the whole device to work? (answer required from design office please)
those scissors look feeble are they actually duplicated for redundancy do you know? Or worse does it actually need both of them to be working for the whole device to work? (answer required from design office please)
AnFI, really? Seriously? Are you that feeble??
They are duplicated for balance. Without two you need weight on the head to balance the fact you only have one scissor. Check out the head of an S-76.
Have you climbed up there and had a look at these scissors? They are big and strong.
The problem with the spherical bearing is ONLY with a new type of scissor that has recently been released. The machine in this accident is older and will not have them unless they have been retrofitted, so entirely not relevant to this thread.
If you are so sure that duplication is always a waste, then go chop off an arm and a leg, and with your one remaining hand, poke out one of your eyes. Then we'll see just how handy duplication can be!
If one scissor has a problem in flight, the other will take over. So you have two to take care of a balance problem and guess what, you get an extra safety margin thrown in for free!
Have you actually contacted the design office? What exactly would you like to know about this "feeble" link?
They are duplicated for balance. Without two you need weight on the head to balance the fact you only have one scissor. Check out the head of an S-76.
Have you climbed up there and had a look at these scissors? They are big and strong.
The problem with the spherical bearing is ONLY with a new type of scissor that has recently been released. The machine in this accident is older and will not have them unless they have been retrofitted, so entirely not relevant to this thread.
If you are so sure that duplication is always a waste, then go chop off an arm and a leg, and with your one remaining hand, poke out one of your eyes. Then we'll see just how handy duplication can be!
If one scissor has a problem in flight, the other will take over. So you have two to take care of a balance problem and guess what, you get an extra safety margin thrown in for free!
Have you actually contacted the design office? What exactly would you like to know about this "feeble" link?
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Abusive rant removed.
AnFi, this is a thread about a fatal accident which took the lives of two helicopter pilots. I fail to see the relevance of you jumping on your hobbyhorse to argue inconsequentialities.
SPlot
Yes agree nowt to do with this accident in all probability.
AnFi, this is a thread about a fatal accident which took the lives of two helicopter pilots. I fail to see the relevance of you jumping on your hobbyhorse to argue inconsequentialities.
SPlot
Yes agree nowt to do with this accident in all probability.
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Hey Anf,
Your request may be forwarded when you submit valid professional credentials.
This proprietary information is not shared with just any joker off the street.
Your request may be forwarded when you submit valid professional credentials.
This proprietary information is not shared with just any joker off the street.
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Hey Anf,
Your request may be forwarded when you submit valid professional credentials.
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I did not mean to be abusive I was merely replying to this point about duplication:
"If you are so sure that duplication is always a waste, then go chop off an arm and a leg, and with your one remaining hand, poke out one of your eyes. Then we'll see just how handy duplication can be!"
and pointing out that legs really work as a pair (not for redundancy), as do eyes. Many of our systems are single items: brain, heart and most importantly 'the other important thing which half of us have one of...' (i might have used an coloquial expression for that, but abusive?)
The feeling of immunity by being surrounded by systems (and duplicated systems), is relevant to this thread, and is probably imagined, and may be detrimental. Feeling exposed focuses the mind on performing well and also does not create in the owner a mentality of immunity (more imporantly to this event).
It is of course allways a tragedy when people die in our beautiful machines, this discussion helps reduce it.
'Corporate' (private) twins have a disastrerous record - the issues need to be out in the open. How should we re-act? I know ban singles!
"If you are so sure that duplication is always a waste, then go chop off an arm and a leg, and with your one remaining hand, poke out one of your eyes. Then we'll see just how handy duplication can be!
"and pointing out that legs really work as a pair (not for redundancy), as do eyes. Many of our systems are single items: brain, heart and most importantly 'the other important thing which half of us have one of...' (i might have used an coloquial expression for that, but abusive?)
The feeling of immunity by being surrounded by systems (and duplicated systems), is relevant to this thread, and is probably imagined, and may be detrimental. Feeling exposed focuses the mind on performing well and also does not create in the owner a mentality of immunity (more imporantly to this event).
It is of course allways a tragedy when people die in our beautiful machines, this discussion helps reduce it.
'Corporate' (private) twins have a disastrerous record - the issues need to be out in the open. How should we re-act? I know ban singles!
Last edited by AnFI; 26th Mar 2014 at 14:16.
This accident is not unique to the industry, I suspect. Rants on twins versus singles probably need their own thread. That diversion has reduced the quality of the discussion on this accident, as seen by this lurker.
'Corporate' (private) twins have a disastrerous
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No - not because of twin - there is another thread for that.
Feeling of immunity for (in part) pilot but particularly the owner. Caused by the illusion of being surrounded by 'safety aids'. Noise cancelling headsets add a little to the illusion.
Feeling of immunity for (in part) pilot but particularly the owner. Caused by the illusion of being surrounded by 'safety aids'. Noise cancelling headsets add a little to the illusion.
Thankfully - as far as we can tell - there's only a single AnFi....
Lee's Funeral
Lee's funeral is the day after Carl's.
The service will take place on Wednesday 2nd April at 1.30pm at Macclesfield United Reformed Church, Park Green, Macclesfield, SK11 7NA.
The committal will take place at the Macclesfield Crematorium, Prestbury Rd, Macclesfield SK10 3BU (family only please).
There will be refreshments at The Tytherington Club, Dorchester Way, Macclesfield, Cheshire SK10 2JP
Flowers are welcome.
Any donations to the families chosen charity, The Fusilier Aid Society.
Enquiries to Andrew Smith Funeral Services 01625 433 853
FNW
The service will take place on Wednesday 2nd April at 1.30pm at Macclesfield United Reformed Church, Park Green, Macclesfield, SK11 7NA.
The committal will take place at the Macclesfield Crematorium, Prestbury Rd, Macclesfield SK10 3BU (family only please).
There will be refreshments at The Tytherington Club, Dorchester Way, Macclesfield, Cheshire SK10 2JP
Flowers are welcome.
Any donations to the families chosen charity, The Fusilier Aid Society.
Enquiries to Andrew Smith Funeral Services 01625 433 853
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Hi Floater NW
With absolute respect from a fellow aviator, the family didn't want the details publicising so the press didn't find out.
Please could I respectfully request that you can remove your post ASAP? I'm sure between us prof pilots we can network discretely to advise all people that knew Lee.
Appreciate your help
Cheers
RV
With absolute respect from a fellow aviator, the family didn't want the details publicising so the press didn't find out.
Please could I respectfully request that you can remove your post ASAP? I'm sure between us prof pilots we can network discretely to advise all people that knew Lee.
Appreciate your help
Cheers
RV
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In the absence of FNW, you can click on the little red triangular 'road sign' at the bottom left of his post. This will bring it to the attention of the mods. You can then ask to have it removed for the reasons you state? Sounds like a reasonable course of action under the circumstances?
TR
Edited to add: With deepest respect for ALL those no longer with us, I've done it for you. Hopefully FNW doesn't mind, but if he has reason to think you are wrong, no doubt he can rectify the situation.
In the absence of FNW, you can click on the little red triangular 'road sign' at the bottom left of his post. This will bring it to the attention of the mods. You can then ask to have it removed for the reasons you state? Sounds like a reasonable course of action under the circumstances?
TR
Edited to add: With deepest respect for ALL those no longer with us, I've done it for you. Hopefully FNW doesn't mind, but if he has reason to think you are wrong, no doubt he can rectify the situation.
Rotorvation and Tandem,
Thanks for your concerns.
I was asked by BOTH wives to post the funeral details so that as many aviators as possible could have the information.
If the mods still want to take the post off, then that's up to them.
FNW
Thanks for your concerns.
I was asked by BOTH wives to post the funeral details so that as many aviators as possible could have the information.
If the mods still want to take the post off, then that's up to them.
FNW