Drones - the future

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From: Kiwiland
This seems to be a flying automatic defibrillator. Whilst the drone may be for real it isn't clear if the defibrillator actually works. The lightest defib made exceeds the likely payload of the drone many times.
In reality these defibs have now come down in price so much that most public buildings already have them. The time to effective use is only five minutes after which success falls off rapidly so deployment to individual homes is questionable.
And in cities most people don't live in houses with convenient landing areas outside
In reality these defibs have now come down in price so much that most public buildings already have them. The time to effective use is only five minutes after which success falls off rapidly so deployment to individual homes is questionable.
And in cities most people don't live in houses with convenient landing areas outside

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From: Europe
Of course this is only an idea, that is far from operational use, but, we newer know what a baby will become, when grown-up....
Technically, there are semi-automatic defibrillators, that are small enough to be carried by a suitable drone, and I am sure that speed and range of device shown was thought of. I believe such system is entirelly achievable with current technology, so applause to student for developing this idea!!
What disturbs me on the video is: NO CPR ON THE VICTIM!!!
First thing to do in such situations is: call for help or ask someone to do it, then START PERFORMING CPR AT ONCE if victim is not breathing and airway is free. No technology can substitute for this and every minute lost means more irrepairable damage to brain. Also, CPR might still needs to be performed even after defibrillator is used.
regards,
hoistop
Technically, there are semi-automatic defibrillators, that are small enough to be carried by a suitable drone, and I am sure that speed and range of device shown was thought of. I believe such system is entirelly achievable with current technology, so applause to student for developing this idea!!
What disturbs me on the video is: NO CPR ON THE VICTIM!!!
First thing to do in such situations is: call for help or ask someone to do it, then START PERFORMING CPR AT ONCE if victim is not breathing and airway is free. No technology can substitute for this and every minute lost means more irrepairable damage to brain. Also, CPR might still needs to be performed even after defibrillator is used.
regards,
hoistop

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From: London, UK
(FAA) regulation of drones, Christmas gifts, niche parcel delivery:
Regulating robotic aircraft: Free the drones | The Economist
Some sub 0 amsl action:
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/navy-deve...375377914.html
I had a chat with someone who claimed that some of the drones used for killing people in dusty locations have an "AI" capability for automatic targeting of survivors post first strike. Wasn't clear if it was internal or an external system but would be interesting to hear more if anyone's knowledgeable in this area.
Regulating robotic aircraft: Free the drones | The Economist
Some sub 0 amsl action:
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/navy-deve...375377914.html
I had a chat with someone who claimed that some of the drones used for killing people in dusty locations have an "AI" capability for automatic targeting of survivors post first strike. Wasn't clear if it was internal or an external system but would be interesting to hear more if anyone's knowledgeable in this area.

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This report says US move closer to requiring registration of all drones (including models & toys) over 250g weight (8.8oz)
FAA, Drones and Registration . . . It?s Coming | Plane-ly Spoken
Now up to FAA to propose regulation
FAA, Drones and Registration . . . It?s Coming | Plane-ly Spoken
Now up to FAA to propose regulation

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From: Germany
Drones
Just returning from a Safety Meeting. Scarry, how many near misses with drones have been reported in the past few weeks.
Our aviation authority is also aiming for a registration of Drones, so the Pilot might run but can't hide.
Our aviation authority is also aiming for a registration of Drones, so the Pilot might run but can't hide.

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From: Long Beach, CA
So.... I was the instructor onboard this helicopter:
Possible drone collides with helicopter in Los Angeles | Vertical Magazine - The Pulse of the Helicopter Industry
Certainly got my blood pumping. Regulation can't come soon enough in my opinion.
M.
Possible drone collides with helicopter in Los Angeles | Vertical Magazine - The Pulse of the Helicopter Industry
Certainly got my blood pumping. Regulation can't come soon enough in my opinion.
M.

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So, you didnt see anything, no evidence left behind, so it must be a drone? Ok. I doubt it. How about a crack in the screen not picked up on the pre-flight? How about a bird? Just because there is no evidence it must be a drone? Really?
Registration of all drones? What a joke. Who is going to manage that database? Who has the manpower? in the UK the CAA don't have enough manpower to manage the commercial legal activity within a sensible time frame right now. Never mind the registration of millions more UAV's.
What about those people who build their own? No serial numbers.
I suppose people have to blame something and drones seem to be flavour of the month right now ( every month)
Registration of all drones? What a joke. Who is going to manage that database? Who has the manpower? in the UK the CAA don't have enough manpower to manage the commercial legal activity within a sensible time frame right now. Never mind the registration of millions more UAV's.
What about those people who build their own? No serial numbers.
I suppose people have to blame something and drones seem to be flavour of the month right now ( every month)

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Any drone flying at night would have lights on it, otherwise it would be invisible to the operator too. Almost every drone would have some sort of flashing led on it anyway, making it highly visible, especially at night.
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From: Germany
Any drone flying at night would have lights on it, otherwise it would be invisible to the operator too.
- doesn´t want to be seen
- has a drone with GPS flight path following
- rips off or covers every possible light before takeoff
There ARE some idiots out there...
Thracian
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Not, if the operator - doesn´t want to be seen
They still have Leds flashing, even in GPS waypoint mode.
But yes it is possible to tape over lights, but then the operator would not be able to see it either, so unlikely.

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From: Germany
Hi Chopjok,
you´re a little bit behind the time.
There are plenty of drones underway with "first person view" - that is, the operator either wearing googles or having a display, where the image of the drone camera is transmitted to.
He doesn´t have to see the drone.....
you´re a little bit behind the time.
There are plenty of drones underway with "first person view" - that is, the operator either wearing googles or having a display, where the image of the drone camera is transmitted to.
He doesn´t have to see the drone.....

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From: Germany
Hi Chopjok,
you´re a little bit behind the time.
There are plenty of drones underway with "first person view" - that is, the operator either wearing googles or having a display, where the image of the drone camera is transmitted to.
for as little as 159€
He does´t have to see the drone.....
http://www.polizeifliegerstaffel.de/test/drone.jpg
http://www.polizeifliegerstaffel.de/test/drone2.jpg
you´re a little bit behind the time.
There are plenty of drones underway with "first person view" - that is, the operator either wearing googles or having a display, where the image of the drone camera is transmitted to.
for as little as 159€
He does´t have to see the drone.....
http://www.polizeifliegerstaffel.de/test/drone.jpg
http://www.polizeifliegerstaffel.de/test/drone2.jpg
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From: Long Beach, CA
Just wanted to post a few more details about the incident I posted earlier. We were pretty close to Balboa Park (2-3 miles SW of the airport) at 2000' MSL (~1200AGL) following the 101 eastbound. We can not say with exact certainty what hit us as we never saw anything. Whatever it was made a loud impact, shattered the windshield, cracked the instrument cluster and shook our Robbie. We were doing 70-75kts. Initially I thought we'd hit a large bird and reported it as such to KVNY tower. A post flight inspection did not reveal the slightest trace of blood/feathers, leading me to believe we'd hit a drone. It is in my opinion the most logical explanation as Van Nuys is a hotbed for drone sightings/near misses. There's also a specialty drone store about 1 mile from where I was impacted. I don't want to point fingers, but one has to wonder.
I also wanted to mention we had a drone sighting at 1000AGL near 91/605, and another instructor had a near TR miss near El Monte airport. Something has to be done sooner than later. I think drones are neat, but not at 1200AGL.
If anybody has any information or hears about anyone recently losing a drone near Balboa Park, please report it to Van Nuys FSDO at (818) 904-6291.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
M.
I also wanted to mention we had a drone sighting at 1000AGL near 91/605, and another instructor had a near TR miss near El Monte airport. Something has to be done sooner than later. I think drones are neat, but not at 1200AGL.
If anybody has any information or hears about anyone recently losing a drone near Balboa Park, please report it to Van Nuys FSDO at (818) 904-6291.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
M.

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The latest country to enact Drone legislation is Ireland.
Irish Aviation Authority (Small Unmanned Aircraft (Drones) and Rockets) Order 2015 (https://www.iaa.ie/docs/default-sour...5.pdf?sfvrsn=2 )
Less onerous registration of users (compared to US legislation requires) but the key points of the Irish regulations are:
A drone is not allowed to fly farther than 300 metres from its operator and it must be in visible sight to its operator;
A drone is not allowed to fly higher than 120 metres above ground level;
A drone cannot fly within 5 kilometres of any aerodrome;
A drone cannot fly in a prohibited, restricted area or controlled airspace e.g. military installations, prisons, over an assembly of people or over urban areas;
Drone operators must ensure they operate their drone in a manner that will not be a hazard to another aircraft in flight or in a negligent or reckless manner so as to endanger the life or property of others;
All drones weighing 1Kg or more, which includes the weight of the battery and the attached equipment, must be registered with the Irish Aviation Authority (“IAA”); and
Operators of drones which weigh more than 4Kg will also need to complete safety training approved by the IAA to fly that drone.
Irish Aviation Authority (Small Unmanned Aircraft (Drones) and Rockets) Order 2015 (https://www.iaa.ie/docs/default-sour...5.pdf?sfvrsn=2 )
Less onerous registration of users (compared to US legislation requires) but the key points of the Irish regulations are:
A drone is not allowed to fly farther than 300 metres from its operator and it must be in visible sight to its operator;
A drone is not allowed to fly higher than 120 metres above ground level;
A drone cannot fly within 5 kilometres of any aerodrome;
A drone cannot fly in a prohibited, restricted area or controlled airspace e.g. military installations, prisons, over an assembly of people or over urban areas;
Drone operators must ensure they operate their drone in a manner that will not be a hazard to another aircraft in flight or in a negligent or reckless manner so as to endanger the life or property of others;
All drones weighing 1Kg or more, which includes the weight of the battery and the attached equipment, must be registered with the Irish Aviation Authority (“IAA”); and
Operators of drones which weigh more than 4Kg will also need to complete safety training approved by the IAA to fly that drone.
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A drone cannot fly within 5 kilometres of any aerodrome;
"unless the aerodrome operator has given permission;"
Operators of drones which weigh more than 4Kg will also need to complete safety training approved by the IAA to fly that drone.
There is a subtle difference.

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A drone is not allowed to fly farther than 300 metres from its operator and it must be in visible sight to its operator;




