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AS332L2 Ditching off Shetland: 23rd August 2013

Old 30th Jan 2014, 13:23
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post

It was offered as something that would IMPROVE the current situation re Survivability.

Yes. Marginally, and for a very limited subset of accidents. So long as it isn't viewed as a get out - ie "we have addressed the problem by reducing the pax number per aircraft - end of problem!"


But we have already seen how, for example, TM is crowing about how wonderful his oil company is for doing it as if this were the panacea.
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Old 30th Jan 2014, 16:15
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I don't think anyone is pretending that the cabin issues are the silver bullet. What is depressing for me is that we have been here before with the Cormorant crash and before that the Scillies Isles - both crashes where escape was severely compromised - although for differing reasons.

Recently offshore I was on the receiving end of some company propaganda for the 're-introduction of the 332L2'. In that it stated that flying at night was no more dangerous than during the day. With that sort of near complete denial of the facts, I cannot see the helicopter operators as potential leaders in improving the situation.

They should be, much of the discussion here demonstrates a knowledge of how in many cases to fix things, or certainly improve them, so the expertise exists. It just appears that the safety culture to support those approaches is pretty tenuous.
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Old 30th Jan 2014, 16:49
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In that it stated that flying at night was no more dangerous than during the day.
Guess they never looked at the Accident Statistics then....much less talk to anyone doing that sort of flying offshore.
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Old 30th Jan 2014, 17:02
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In that it stated that flying at night was no more dangerous than during the day.
They just missed out a bit.

Except if you end up in the water in the dark - escape from the helicopter and rescue from the sea becomes much more difficult and chances of survival are much lower.

We were lucky the 225 ditchings were in daylight with calm seas. In darkness with rough seas the outcome could have been much worse.

But I know this and I accepted the (low) risk when I chose to work offshore. I still think more chance of harm driving to/from work every day than getting in a chopper. Could be wrong with stats now though over last few years.
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Old 30th Jan 2014, 21:35
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In that it stated that flying at night was no more dangerous than during the day.
Where was that statement coming from? A helicopter operator, oil company HSE spokesman, oil company aviation advisor?
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Old 30th Jan 2014, 21:58
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digin, thanks for your measured response, and Jim thanks for your points. I apologize for the snarky tone up there, it was not needed.
But making cabin spacious and easy to evacuate for this scenario may decrease risk in this rare case - but the overall risk to pax may increase if we double the fleet and pilots and movements - and landings on offshore platforms - and for the bears more delays!
The airframes themselves don't seem to be the problem.
Configuration and cabin layout (which depending upon airframe can be customizeable, as usual if one will pay for a certain configuration).
Point in quotes is something similar to the helicopter design process: each problem you think you've solved raises another problem. It is thus a matter of tradeoffs, which appears where the seating capacity/sardine syndrome seems to fit. This gets to the heart of the matter: a company hires another company to use its fleet of helicopters to move persons from place to place. There was a time, a long while back I guess, that some oil companies had their own fleed of helicopters. In such a situation, customizing a design for a specific purpose may result in an in internal cabin configuration that might address some of these sore points better.

But that isn't the world we live in anymore, is it?

The broad statement that the airframes are not fit for purpose still makes no sense to me. As to window count and size, there are design considerations for the airframe itself which may limit how big a hole one can fill with a window. Not familiar enough with the type in question at that level of structural detail to comment further.
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Old 23rd Aug 2014, 01:35
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Old 19th May 2015, 14:03
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Old 28th Oct 2015, 15:25
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I see BALPA have now decided to drop the appeal against granting the police access to the FDR/CVR. Shame, as it sets an important precedent. I suppose that with the draft report out, they perceive that by the time the police's agent (the CAA) have decoded and interpreted it all, the report will be in the public domain anyway, and so they have taken the pragmatic approach to save money.
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Old 28th Oct 2015, 16:37
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I'd say it's just typical BALPA, the gummy tigger....
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Old 27th Feb 2016, 21:16
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Draft report out October 2015, now end of Feb 2016. Just how much longer do we have to wait? Anyone know any rumours about when the final report will be published?
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Old 29th Feb 2016, 11:08
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Megan, are you replying to a post from 25 months ago?!
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Old 29th Feb 2016, 12:11
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Nowherespecial;

16 000 hours of off-shore flying tends to have that effect. It takes at least 24 months for any thread to sink in

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Old 29th Feb 2016, 12:40
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Old 29th Feb 2016, 20:59
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only 16,000 o/shore. Get some time in

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Old 29th Feb 2016, 21:31
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16000 hours of straight and level with the AP holds in - sounds riveting
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Old 29th Feb 2016, 23:40
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Megan, are you replying to a post from 25 months ago?!
Seems I was, now deleted.
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It takes at least 24 months for any thread to sink in
Choice of words Sir?!
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Now I think about it..................................

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