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Old 9th Mar 2013, 16:48
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Thanks, Hughes500.

I was, up till now, unaware that you required a valid UK licence to convert to an EASA one.
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Old 9th Mar 2013, 17:30
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No problem, i am just getting the chainsaw out to refill the printer !
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Old 9th Mar 2013, 18:24
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Hughes500 . I cannot believe that you make a profit paying effectively £13k a year ... Just to be told you can't do this flight , no floats . You can't do that one , garden not 1,000 acres with no object higher than 6" . You can't do that one either because you are landing 35 mins after sunset .
LEASE ... NO PAY CAA !!!!!
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Old 10th Mar 2013, 09:03
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you are right that it is difficult but having just got a 100 hour load lifting job which I wouldnt have got without makes the difference I suppose.
Having said that if I had an R44 then the bill would be about 1/10 of that which doesnt seem fair really
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Old 10th Mar 2013, 09:08
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Forgot to say that I am lucly using a 500 for pax carriage( calm down everyone I know its small) but my take off distance at mauw is a mere 231 m compared to twice that for an R44 and EC120. Now thankfully the CAA have issued the normal accleration to 100 ft which means in some cases i can cut that distance down to less than half if weight wind and temp is correct. BUT it is still difficult to tell customers that a single engine helicopter isnt allowed to take off vertically as it is not safe. One barrister i fly regularly says it would be interesting to test that in court as if it is unsafe with fare paying pax in then it must be unsafe, there are not degrees of unsafe for the same thing !!!!
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Old 10th Mar 2013, 09:41
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Ahhhh the good old H/V argument...!
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Old 10th Mar 2013, 20:57
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I have had some PM,s asking me about the lease flying I have been doing over the last 20 years or so . The answers are better on the open forum than private . So in brief ....
1). Is it legal ? Yes . It has always been legal to lease an aircraft to someone who then becomes the "operator". They pay you for the aircraft and then provide their own pilot ( who is acceptable to you ). These flights are categorised as Private hence you can throw away most of the rules regarding SE flight for AOC,s.
2). What documents do you need ? There are plenty of lease agreements out there . Just make sure the customer has signed the agreement . Make sure you only charge for the " rental period" and NEVER pay the pilot yourself as that is then a charter .
3). Have the CAA ever attacked this ? No , not as far as I am aware . It was in fact the CAA who told me I didn't need an AOC .
Fly safe and stick to the rules !!!
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 11:55
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No multi crew rating = No EASA ATPL

I have been abroad and now want to renew my JAR ATPL with the new EASA version. I cant get one because my multi-crew rating has expired. No problem under JAR but for Europe....Non!!
So now I cant even get a job after the end of the month! What a mess.
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 20:24
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You can't get a licence without a rating (expired means without rating) and the change to EASA ATPL isn't a renew.
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Old 15th Mar 2013, 22:00
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any reason?

is there actually a reason why you can't get a license issued if your ratings are not current ... surely you just can't use the license without a current rating.

is it a pointless inconvenience or is there actually a reason?
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Old 16th Mar 2013, 04:36
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Do any of you Canadian pilots know if there is a time limit as to how long you can fly and keep your Canada Registered Aircraft in the US. Any other requirements to bring it in?
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Old 19th Mar 2013, 00:17
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rotorgoat - not sure this is the place to ask about canadian registration issues - Thread is about EASA stuff

I guess the answer must be that it is just totally pointless embuggeration for the druid ( anyone else being pointlessly messed about? is this widespread? )
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Old 19th Mar 2013, 09:49
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is there actually a reason why you can't get a license issued if your ratings are not current ... surely you just can't use the license without a current rating.

is it a pointless inconvenience or is there actually a reason?
simple question, have a look into JAR-FCL 2

JAR-FCL 2.025
Validity of the licence and revalidation of a rating
(1)
The validity of the licence is determined by the validity of the ratings contained therein and the medical certificate


Means, a licence without ratings is no valid licence and of course a non valid licence means no change into EASA papers. I wonder , why some guys reporting here, they have renewed their licence without ratings? This could only be some kind of old national speciality under JAR or a half JAR or...

I pray under EASA we all will live finally under the same sky and noname CAAs have to stop issues of wondrously and unfair licences.

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Old 19th Mar 2013, 13:39
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Well

a JAR license could be current but with no valid ratings - so what's the problem to issue a license with no current ratings? Obviously you can't actually use it untill a type is validated.... so just pointless embuggeration for Mr Druid then?

His embuggeration could be yours tomorrow...

a similar problem is the one about medical currency - your license can be current and valid (with a current type) but with an expired medical one cannot fly - no particular reason why a license should not be issued with an expired medical then ?
(there has been a slight recognition of this because now you can do a Prof Check without a currently valid medical)

Complexity is required to make (pointless) jobs - simples
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Old 19th Mar 2013, 19:22
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I am beginning to 'remember' why my great grandparents died resisting this style of administration... can't really understand what it is doing alive and well in the UK today...

but tecpilot does it all have to be so 'ordered' that you can't actually fly to your house? ... as I suspect is the case in your country?

Perhaps you'd like to live under 'our' sky maybe you'd enjoy that more?
The USA trusts it's citizens even more - imagine ONLY being allowed to learn to fly at an establishment APPROVED by an organisation (NAA) that does not know much about it - strange eh?
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Old 20th Mar 2013, 08:27
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Imagine;

All UK Drivers Licences must be replaced with new ERSA (R=Road) Licences by 2014. (happens also to be an Anagram).

Anyone who has not driven a minibus, motorbike, lorry etc in the last 3 years will lose this from their licence.

Everyone must pay a fee of circa £140 for a new licence.

Everyone must now prove their English speaking ability - even though their existing licence states nationality AND place of birth!

Everyone must learn the new highway code that consists of 2 x 1000 page documents (CRP804 & Part RCL). Approx 500,000 words all written in plain 'European' - containing lots of NEW ways of driving.

The motorway is now altered so the slow lane is the fast lane, fast is slow and middle is still the same (pleasing the stereotypical happily please admin type person who hogs it in their own little world).

Driving Schools who do not comply with the complex legislation lose their Approvals to train (even though their owners are trying to fly, earn a living, keep their finger on the pulse, read 500,000 words, interpret 500,000 words, try to understand 500,000 words, then re write the 500,000 words into their OWN version of the 500,000 words that is shorter, easier to read, seldom read, and subsequently re-approved by the people that contributed to the original 500,000 words.

Bus/Taxi/Coach/Lorry/Van Operators must also do the above.

GET THAT ONE PAST PARLIAMENT!
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Old 20th Mar 2013, 09:03
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Regulation is only imposed by the consent of the administered - the fact of the matter is the 'industry' appears to be consenting - so you get the regulation you deserve in the end.... sadly, tragically.
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Old 20th Mar 2013, 10:09
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Recent CAA correspondence ended with 'resistance is futile' - how the heck do you work round that?

It's all been imposed under the guise of safety - so if we resist are we looking to be unsafe?
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Old 20th Mar 2013, 10:26
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ANFI ..... You are the 1st to admit that
"Resistance is futile " ...... I guess as futile as our little country resisting the Bosch ? As futile , dare I say it , as the N Vietnamese resisting the USA ?
Afghanistan resisting .... Well everyone who ever tried to impose themselves over the last few hundred years ?!!!!!!!
That's PATHETIC . If you , as an industry , haven't got the bottle to stand up for yourselves ,that's fine . But DON'T whinge about it !!!!!!
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Old 21st Mar 2013, 19:24
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Sent my questions to '[email protected]' as instructed on 25th Feb . As you might have guessed .....No response What a useless bunch of morons they are . ( to put it politely !!)
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