EASA licence updates
 

Having just got my shiny new EASA licence, I note that they didn't update on the new licence one of the type ratings that was revalidated and paperwork sent in about the same time as the licence application itself.

When I called them they said it was a mistake, that they did have the PC paperwork and would be sending out a new updated licence, in the meantime they said to carry the updated ratings page from the old JAR licence where the examiner had signed it off.

This got me thinking about the paperwork process.
1) will they be sending out a new licence now every time there is a new event, to replace where the examiner writes on it?
2) if so, how long should I leave it before I make the assumption that they have never received or lost the paperwork?
3) if so, this sounds like thousands of pieces of paper will now start flying around where previously there was none, not very 21st century is it?

They seem to have created a pig in a poke as far as I can see

Its the same old story, I am afraid:

More unnecessary bureaucracy to keep the bureaucrats employed, less flying for pilots and more costs for everyone.

1) If you mean that every time an examiner signs a licence for the revalidation of a rating, or the renewal of a rating that has expired for not more than 3 years and/or has not been moved to the rear of the license, the answer is no, you will not be getting a reprinted licence on those occasions.

2) Not applicable

3) Not directly applicable but the premise of your statement is, in my opinion, correct.

21st Century....oh yes....absolutely! (As organized by Bureaucrats seeking to feather their own nest!)

Mr Carr,

there is only limited spaces on the certificate of revalidation, so are we supposed to ask for a new licence every so often or will they be sending out a new one every year? or other fixed period?

I know of several people who have found themselves exactly in the position that you have described. When this was pointed out to Handbrake House, they were issued with a blank Revalidation form not dissimilar to that which is currently part of the UK/JAR licence.

When the next licence event takes place e.g. addition of a new type rating or renewal of an old one, Cash And Aggro will issue a new licence with all the out-of-date stuff removed thus freeing up more spaces ........ theoretically.

My 17-year old daughter recently sent me this definition of Heaven and Hell...(with apologies to my Italian colleagues! ;))

Heaven...is where the police are British, the chefs are Italian, the mechanics are German, the lovers are French and it's all organised by the Swiss!

Hell...is where the police are German, the chefs are British, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Swiss and it's all organised by the Italians!

Welcome, Bienvenu, Benvenuto, Willkommen, Bienvenido, Velkommen, Welkom, Välkommen (just a sample)...to Europe and the land of EASA!

The only country (so far) that i can really recommend when it comes to licensing:
US of A!

That was the only time when i found the CAA (here:FAA) REALLY helpfull EVERY time i called them.

No "Send us a letter and we will respond to that (sending you an invoice first, then sending you some useless quotes from the regs).

FAA - helpful ? EASA system comparison...
 

Paper certificates will soon be replaced with plastic
The deadline is March 31 for personnel who have paper FAA certificates to replace them with plastic ones, which are harder to counterfeit. Certificate replacements cost $2 and can be processed online. Student certificates and temporary certificates do not have to be replaced.

$2 , online, plastic card, temporary certificate (issued for 120days after test until paperwork is processed).... just not hard enough - ridiculous!

Compare! :{

AnFI - brilliant! :)

I guess that's the difference between an Administration and an Authority/Agency! :D

Clearly the staff at the Federal Aviation Administration go to work on a morning wanting pilots to go flying!

I understand that the UK CAA (now EASA) wouldn't contemplate issueing temporary certificates for licences because the system could be 'abused'. Hmm. I feel abused that it cost me one hundred times as much as the FAA equivalent AND I had to wait 3 months! How many FAA airmen are there? How many licence conversions are they having to do...! Can they cope?

We all know our CAA are a bunch of morons . We all know that they are steadily crippling this industry . What I find amazing is that the people who fly under this bureaucratic cloud , steadily losing jobs , do nothing .
A bit like a stuck record I know , but I have been saying it for years and it has been happening , if anything , even quicker than I expected .
Without a major change of morons , and new cheaper AOC , s for small operators we will end up with two or three big operators covering the whole country . ( I don't care because it doesn't effect me ... But it's still a shame !!

Politicians come and go, civil servants are more permanent...:ugh:

Servants? Ha! Not really serving much!

Unless undue hassle, expense and complication is top of the list! I suppose they could be serving each other by guaranteeing their own jobs for years to come.

Watch a few episodes of "Yes Minister" and you could be standing right in Aviation House, or wherever the are hiding these days.. :ugh:

Dial 1 for "Sorry no"
Dial 2 for "Sorry no"
Dial 3 for "Please go away"

As Nigel say's they have crippled the industry in the UK, but their pensions will be index linked and safe as houses...

FUBAR :=

Well just had to do renew a licence more than 3 years out of date ( old CAA one that has expired), took longer to do the paperwork than the flying

SRG 1102 7 pages
SRG 1104 7 pages
SRG 1199 can he speak English 6 pages
SRG 1173 another 6 pages
SRG 2138 6 pages ( 3 copies of 2 pages)
Course Completion Certificate 1 page

Wouldnt mind so much but answered the same questions about 5 times and signed it about 20.
I think the world has gone mad, no wait a minute the men in white coats have just turned up:ugh:

The padded van called but Gramp's & I hid :E

Hughes500

Excuse my ignorance but why was a SRG 1102 necessary?

Is there anyway of setting up a questionnaire through PPRUNE for people to answer? I'm thinking about a legitimate one which we can gather as many peoples honest and fair views as possible and then submit it to both the CAA and the Parliamentary Ombudsmen?

How else can we get our views across? Could we have a sticky thread across ALL forums that links to a petition? Could we get 100,000 people to sign it so it gets debated in parliament?

Hughes500 ... Out of interest what was the minimum hrs training he had to do ?? ( I know probably different in my case as I have over 100 hrs on type and am current using my FAA ticket ... As per another thread dealing with our morons !!)
Again I am repeating myself but I think all the small AOC,s should withhold payment and operate under leases . The only business they would not be able to do would be small one off,s like weddings , but equally it would open up new work which currently they cannot do ...( single into Battersea without floats , departing from a garden , single into Vanguard , night flights etc )
Ps night flights don't have to mean pitch black , just maybe landing 45 mins after sunset )

1102 for the application for licence and 1104 as CAA licence had expired

Nigel if rating is more than 3 years since expirery then you have to do the entire type rating course again 2 hours plus skills test plus 50 question paper on the ac. I have my own AOC costs currently are £ 10050 per year to CAA which includes one ac. 3 x audits at £ 600 an audit per year. Then all the costs of doing everything else. Is it worth it when you cant do this because single engine etc etc. Now why all singles cant be deemed the same as an R44 AOC i dont know that would cut the costs hugely and encourage more to do it properly