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Old 6th Jan 2013, 12:57
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I am thinking that the regulators' 45 degree latitude limit is highly relevant.
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Old 6th Jan 2013, 13:04
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Do you think the bears will take 2 days out of their days off transiting to a rig by boat?

Even if it had gogo dancers I can't see it.

The 225 is dead long live the S92!
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Old 6th Jan 2013, 13:16
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Maybe Columbia might show up with some Chinooks....and really confuse the mix! Perhaps all the hundreds of thousands of hours the old girls have flown since leaving the North Sea might be enough for the Bears to give then a second look. That assumes those operating them continue operating them to the standard they are. Logging is a helluva lot harder on the machines than trundling out to the rigs and back.
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Old 6th Jan 2013, 14:02
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Yep, I'm up for the Chinooks - proper noise complaints from Mr Trump! Those wind turbines will seem like a minor inconvenience to the Great Dunes of Scotland.
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All the research on ways and means of getting on and off these high speed ferries will take years. The marine fraternity see an opputunity for boat travel leading to their benevolent market. During those years the problems with the 225 will be fixed and the previous status quo will prevail. By the time they have got their boats sorted out all of last years troubles will have been forgotton so there will be no need for them.

I doubt that more the 30% of today's offshore workers have heard of the Chinook.
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Old 6th Jan 2013, 19:44
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To rough for boats...?

If it's too rough for boats then how are forced landings with floated helicopters and transfers to dinghies supposed to work?
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Old 6th Jan 2013, 20:02
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They use this

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Old 6th Jan 2013, 23:36
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DACON Scoop

Notice that the 'body' at the beginning is wearing a yellow survival suit, which becomes an orange suit for the close up. The dummy, with floppy arms is in the yellow suit; the guinea pig is in the orange suit, so he can tuck his arms in so they don't get caught in the net.
And no way were the waves 4m!

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Old 7th Jan 2013, 00:01
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All the advantages of a Sproule net.


... get my coat shall I?
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 13:48
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The crew boats were tried several times by a company out in S E Asia some years ago, and were not a success, even in the relative calm waters a lot guys were not able to work for a day or two due to sea sickness, and if they were in a key position, that meant their back to back had to cover for them.
No doubt one or two were milking it, but it caused a big problem for the Rigs
One positive thing that came out of it was that the offshore guys did not complain about the Helicopters for a month or two after they tried the boats.
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 14:00
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If it's too rough for boats then how are forced landings with floated helicopters and transfers to dinghies supposed to work?
Well now....isn't that why we have all that fancy training in the Dunker and stuff? If you cannot get into the raft from the helicopter it is a cost of doing business....if you cannot get to the rig from the boat....it is unacceptable.
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 16:33
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"The 225 is dead long live the S92!"

I certainly hope not. Lets not give people ideas!! The 225 is still my aircraft of choice for the North Sea
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 17:17
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Strangely, when the sea state was such that it removed the super-structure of the rescue vessel (out there to rescue us) and tragically killed the skipper, we carried on flying. The Dollar is all powerful.
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Where is the all too strict CAA on that situation?
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 19:59
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How long do you guys realistically think it will be before the 225's carry passengers again (over water)

What would be the process to get new shaft designed, tested and the aircraft certified again ?
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 22:31
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The engineering required is irrelevant, the real problem is passenger confidence in the machine.

It killed the Chinook in the North sea........
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BBC reporting "Eurocopter said extensive testing had found what it called a "most probable" root cause of the failure".

BBC News - More tests for Super Puma helicopters after gearbox failures


(Nothing new found on AAIB/CHC/Bond/Eurocopter sites.)

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Old 17th Jan 2013, 23:32
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How long do you guys realistically think it will be before the 225's carry passengers again (over water)..............What would be the process to get new shaft designed, tested and the aircraft certified again ?
The first step in the process is to establish the root cause of the failures, and this is taking EC far longer than they anticipated.

EC has contracted with Shainin Engineering to help speed up the analysis process.

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Old 19th Jan 2013, 23:38
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225 back to service

Not likely to see the 225 flying again this year! Eurocopter is not going to publish a plan until they get the root cause established. They need to engineer a fix and then get the regulatory approvals, then manufacture it , and then distribute all the necessary parts to the fleet.

Does anyone believe this will take less then 12 months ?
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Old 21st Jan 2013, 13:39
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How long can the operators keep up the service they are providing at the moment? I.e the older pumas being worked harder trying to pick up some / all of the slack.

I work offshore and in the UK sector of the North Sea we have 3 floatels arriving in the next few months. This will mean a lot of extra flights!!!!!!!!!!

Safe Bristolia to the Elgin field. (approx April)
Safe Scandinavia to the Jasmine. (approx April)
Safe Caledonia to the Andrew platform (January). The Borgholm Dolphin which is currently there is heading off for a contract somewhere else. I think it's with BG at Everest / Lomond.

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