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Old 12th Oct 2012, 11:27
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UK National Air Ambulance Service

At a Conservative Party Conference ‘Fringe Meeting’ held in the Hyatt Regency, Birmingham on 9th October the meeting organisers "The Air Ambulance Service" [TAAS] put forward what some viewed as some disturbing proposals. Andy Williamson (the Chief Executive of TAAS) was advocating that all the separate Air Ambulance Charities in the United Kingdom merge together as "The Air Ambulance Service" and give up their individual county identities.

This line of thinking goes against the majority opinion of the many separate charity groups who rely `upon the fundraising being ‘local’ in nature to engender a feeling among the fundraisers and givers that they are looking after ‘their’ own helicopter rather than some large corporate monolith.
More: TAAS wants all UK air ambulance operations to merge into one | Helihub - the Helicopter Industry Data Source
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Old 12th Oct 2012, 11:59
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That works well for sparsley populated areas and goes against urban areas where fundraising is easier. There is not a single hope in hell of this happening.
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Old 12th Oct 2012, 12:44
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Andy Williamson would appear to have an ego the size of a house. He has no mandate to determine the best way forward for a sector, but clearly feels that as he thinks he is right, he is. What a tosser, what he is proposing is so blatantly wrong, but he bangs on about it anyway. It's a shame that the AAA seems toothless in delivering any sort of leadership on this issue.

The TAAS's well documented take-over of the Children's Air Ambulance was clearly motivated by the desire to give themselves an excuse to fundraise nationally. They have 'form' in setting their agenda.

There should be a law against sharks like these guys. There is a lot of good out there in the air ambulance world, but chancers like Mr. Williamson threaten to undermine all that work to develop local identities, for his own selfish ends. The danger of course is that any bickering among charities risks negative PR, which threatens to undermine the current model.
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Old 12th Oct 2012, 12:51
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And the fat cat charity chief executives would all lose their jobs...! Afterall - no-one wants to give up £130k a year and a 4 door jaguar for managing a fleet of 3 dauphins...
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Old 12th Oct 2012, 13:57
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Mr. Williamson hasn't been chatting with the ACPO lead on Police Air support has he ?

A National Air Ambulance Service would be a lot easier to merge with a National Police Air Service ?

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Old 13th Oct 2012, 01:15
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Whatever next?

Goodness we might even have the same medical crew, the same medical equipment and a standardised deployment policy. Some idiot might even then me able to audit the system to see if it is value for money. That could be a problem

It might even catch on in the rest of medicine. We could call it the National Health System and ensure everyone benefits.
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Old 13th Oct 2012, 20:21
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Hn,

I thought that the latest "plan" for the NHS from the politicians was to go back to the random postcode lottery approach to healthcare, and ignore what NICE or anyone else who knows anything are saying.
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Old 13th Oct 2012, 23:01
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But Helinut the doctors will still be annually appraised to a national standard, regulated by the GMC, and the standards believed appropriate will have to be met by all as otherwise the courts will intervene if someone complains.

And a parallel system goes for nurses, physio etc etc

In e 1960s kidney transplantation was run along the same lines as HEMS with everyone doing their own thing and money raised from charities. The doctors realised it was poor and pressure was put on the NHS to fund a proper service.

I am sincerely grateful to all those who raise money but if you needed a heart operation you would not be best pleased for me to tell you I was waiting for the charity to do a tombola and I didn't use an anaesthetist because my unit used porters.

You only have to realise there is effectively no real controlled medical audit of HEMS after 25 years save a couple of rather negative studies.

The fault lies as much with my fellow doctors who seem more concerned they might have their flights or power base restricted rather than pushing for NHS funding and a proper helicopter healthcare system integrated into trauma care
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Why AA units work.

I should declare my hand and say from the beginning that as the guy that designed and set up the first AA unit in 1987 the clinical aspects of our role were only 50% of our 'raison d'etre'.

The other 50% was a logistical issue - speed and distance = time.

The delivery of stabilising care was the driver when deciding crew composition. For us that was a game changer for at that time we only had 8 'extended trained ATs' for the whole county so we could, when it mattered put a 'paramedic' into the equation. At a stroke we improved the QUALITY of clinical care.

The other big change was in the performance of the Ambulance Service. Some parameters were measurable and recorded (response times etc) but other parameters were measurable but NOT recorded - the number of occasions that the AA was effectively the ONLY unit available to cover the whole of our area.

The use of a philosophy that limits the role of the AA are in my opinion counter productive. Yes you do hand the nay-sayers ammunition when you pick up an sprained ankle but the context needs to be understood. Picking up that patient on an isolated cliff-top meant that the job was done and dusted within the hour. It would otherwise have removed a vehicle and crew from the available resources for 4 hours. Maybe the vehicle would have been unavailable to deal with the coronary in the town centre where the AA would have had problems attending.

What I am saying is that a holistic approach is necessary when gathering and analysing data about AA activity. We all know that they are a benefit but don't forget to look carefully at WHERE and WHEN they are a benefit.

If you ask me if the nation would benefit from 'joined-up' AA system then the answer is obviously yes. The devil is in the detail. What model is appropriate for our country and how do we get from where we are now to where we need to be?

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A National Air Ambulance Service would be a lot easier to merge with a National Police Air Service ?
Joint Police/Ambulance facility to be built at Exeter Airport

The new two-storey office building will house the Air Operations Unit for Devon and Cornwall Police and Devon Air Ambulance Trust, both of which currently operate from Police Headquarters at Middlemoor.
A sign of things to come?
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Old 14th Oct 2012, 11:59
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Makes sense to co-locate where possible to keep costs down, but joining with NPAS would mean a total loss of independence and therefore a loss of charitable giving from the local public.
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I think it would be a good idea.

Standardised aircraft and equipment, standardised training, central spare parts inventory, streamlined management.

The individual Air Ambulances can still keep their local identities for donations and fund raising.

The small regional air ambulances cannot hope to achieve any real efficiency. By merging in The Air Ambulance Service, commercial savings can be made (greater purchasing power) and the public will be more certain that they are getting value for money.
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Old 14th Oct 2012, 14:14
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.. NHS funding and a proper helicopter healthcare system integrated into trauma care..
That would be commendable, truly.

... as the guy that designed and set up the first AA unit in 1987 ..
And here is the brave Geoffers in action ..

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SAV - The Post Script

I cringe with embarrassment. Bravery didn't come into it. All that was necessary was an enquiring mind, a good dose of bloody-midedness and a dash of luck. Add this to an amazingly positive reception at Stephen Bond's door and you have the idea.

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Honest and wise people might ask; 'To whose benefit?'
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Old 14th Oct 2012, 20:47
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Sotiras: You will have to excuse my limited powers of perception with regard to your comment in that I am not entirely sure what you are implying (if anything).

If you believe that I am advocating a national air ambulance service .. I have made no such declaration on the matter. Like anything, it would require an in depth knowledge of the subject matter to be able to many a meaningful contribution and such knowledge I simply do not possess.

In the quoted section of the HeliHub article in post #1 it says at the beginning of the second paragrpah: "This line of thinking goes against the majority opinion of the many separate charity groups .." and which response I would quickly identify with in the absence of more substantive information regarding this proposal.

Regarding the character involved in this proposal, while I do not know him .. I do know of him and yes .. I very much do wish to shine a light on the matter .. that the intentions behind this proposal may be revealed with the hopeful outcome of encouraging sound responses - responses which clearly benefit patients and operators alike.

I have no real views on the merits of a national air ambulance service at present (for the reason provided), I do however share great sympathy with Homonculus' view that air ambulance operations should be government funded.
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For completeness TAAS hosted two seperate meetings at the Coservative Party Conference, the first was formal and the second more social. The original post on Helihub related to feedback from meeting2. Meeting 1 was, I now understand, blessed with a similar format and outcome.

Monday 8 October
19.30 The Air Ambulance Service
Hyatt Regency : Dolce
Public Service Reform: Getting it off the ground
Speakers : Matthew Parris, Columnist - The Times (Chair); Bernard Jenkin MP, Chairman - Public Administration Select Committee; Andy Williamson, Chief Executive - The Air Ambulance Service
Refreshments available

Tuesday 9 October
21.30 The Air Ambulance Service
Hyatt Regency : Soprano
Public Service Reform: Getting it off the Ground
Speakers : Nigel Evans MP, Deputy Speaker - House of Commons; Andy Williamson, Chief Executive - The Air Ambulance Service
Refreshments available
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Yorkshire Air Ambulance leaving Bradford

The Yorkshire Air Ambulance (YAA) is to leave Leeds-Bradford International Airport for a new base in West Yorkshire.

A vacant site within the Nostell Priory estate, near Wakefield, has been granted planning permission by Wakefield Council. It will have a hangar and aircrew accommodation for one helicopter.

The charity said the aircraft would operate in daylight hours only and should be operational by summer 2013. The charity's two helicopters provide a "rapid response helicopter emergency medical service" for a population of approximately five million people.

The second air ambulance would continue to operate from RAF Topcliffe in North Yorkshire said the YAA.
BBC News - Wakefield base for Yorkshire Air Ambulance helicopter
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UK Air Ambulance Charities

This comes from a question asked in another forum.

Is there a "central" co-ordination body that deals with items of mutual interest for the UK Air Ambulance Charities?
As I suspect some on here fly them perhaps you could help
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 21:56
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Have a read of this thread which touches on some of what you are asking: http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/497...e-service.html
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