Olympics Airspace e-petition
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Olympics Airspace e-petition
We've been waiting for exemptions refusal. Finally came through yesterday.
If you care about GA in the UK, please sign and circulate. Best speed.
Olympics Airspace Prohibitions & Restrictions - e-petitions
If you care about GA in the UK, please sign and circulate. Best speed.
Olympics Airspace Prohibitions & Restrictions - e-petitions
Too little, too late, I fear.
I made known my concerns about this to the CAA a year ago and no-one showed any interest in doing anything about it. Folk on this very website have called me paranoid for complaining that my job was at risk.....
I'm now making other arrangements.
I made known my concerns about this to the CAA a year ago and no-one showed any interest in doing anything about it. Folk on this very website have called me paranoid for complaining that my job was at risk.....
I'm now making other arrangements.
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I am afraid that I agree with Art. The Olympics bandwagon is rolling on and they are not listening to anyone else. They don't care what happens to normal people during the Olympics.
My only hope is that the "legacy" for London will not be the disastrous wasteful mess that has occurred in Greece. Should we put in a bid to use one of the Olympic sites as a helipad, just in case there are any hele operators left in the SE of England
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I will be signing the petition though.
My only hope is that the "legacy" for London will not be the disastrous wasteful mess that has occurred in Greece. Should we put in a bid to use one of the Olympic sites as a helipad, just in case there are any hele operators left in the SE of England
?I will be signing the petition though.
Last edited by Helinut; 15th May 2012 at 13:26. Reason: Punctuation
Art E. Fischler-Reisen
Wrote last time this was raised will do again
But HNs comment is so true
The Olympics bandwagon is rolling on and they are not listening to anyone else. They don't care what happens to normal people during the Olympics.
Wrote last time this was raised will do again
But HNs comment is so true
The Olympics bandwagon is rolling on and they are not listening to anyone else. They don't care what happens to normal people during the Olympics.
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I've signed the petition to help my industry buddies.
But what worries me is that at some stage, I get a dig in the ribs ... he's holding a 44 S&W short and handing me a phone. "Want to chat to your wife/kids -we're holding them while we go flying." I'm doing as I'm told. "We know you have access to an MD 500. So I'd like you to fly me to London and we'll be picking up a little package or possibly a big one on the way." I calculate the flight time to his target is around twelve minutes.
Having picked up the heli and the man's cargo, (Ricin, Semtex or worse perhaps?) I'm told to head for the Stadium and so I don't get shot down by either a ground to air or a Typhoon, I fly roof top height all the way mostly via Buck House, Parliament, MI5 etc. I'm also wondering what will happen to a guided missile that misses me and just how many it will take out when it makes contact with the ground. (or I do first!) I also didn't have time to file the flight! I'm guessing that half a dozen other pilots are being forced to do something similar right now.
Its too late now, but I would have mandated ALL non-military light fixed wing and helis to be repositioned from their private sites to designated airfields for the period. Then NOTHING moves without an airside personal clearance from security. There's got to be a better way!
Safe flying to all. DRK
But what worries me is that at some stage, I get a dig in the ribs ... he's holding a 44 S&W short and handing me a phone. "Want to chat to your wife/kids -we're holding them while we go flying." I'm doing as I'm told. "We know you have access to an MD 500. So I'd like you to fly me to London and we'll be picking up a little package or possibly a big one on the way." I calculate the flight time to his target is around twelve minutes.
Having picked up the heli and the man's cargo, (Ricin, Semtex or worse perhaps?) I'm told to head for the Stadium and so I don't get shot down by either a ground to air or a Typhoon, I fly roof top height all the way mostly via Buck House, Parliament, MI5 etc. I'm also wondering what will happen to a guided missile that misses me and just how many it will take out when it makes contact with the ground. (or I do first!) I also didn't have time to file the flight! I'm guessing that half a dozen other pilots are being forced to do something similar right now.
Its too late now, but I would have mandated ALL non-military light fixed wing and helis to be repositioned from their private sites to designated airfields for the period. Then NOTHING moves without an airside personal clearance from security. There's got to be a better way!
Safe flying to all. DRK
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Dennis, please check your p.m. inbox. Thanks.
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Quite right.
You are quite right Dennis - the security measures won't stop the baddies - just the goodies(!)
The thing that actually will stop the baddies is that we the industry have a long record of being pretty switched on actually - frequently many of us have done the right thing for the greater good , on the Q T .... so it is rather demeaning that the authorities can't be bothered to get to know who we are and trust us - WE are not the bad THEM - we are US - perhaps 'they' could make the effort to engage with us and permit us to stay in business - the Olympics will cost some businesses ONE WHOLE YEAR of labour to re-coup the cost or perhaps put them (US) out of business!!
Please let us live - we're really happy to have the Olympics here - we don't even mind paying for it ! but how about let us run helicopter shuttles for instance - let us share the economic stimulus... The Onshore Helicopter industry could enjoy this payday to keep it in business against the odds ...
Have the terrorists won? Have they put us out of business? We don't need to let them beat us ... we can operate safely, security wise, it's not that hard.
So I pay half of what I earn to employ state operatives - are they going to deny me the other half of what i earn too ? What will we eat?
There is a process - it isn't too late - there are probably only 100 pilots which keep 2500 others employed - we could get them (all well known to the 'Authorities') to phone in a flight intention to a nominated 'Authority' (eg an FOI, or their local police etc ) prior to flight just to assure that there is no duress...
.. and i guess that our 'population' has enough fiber that it would be pretty hard to get one of us to actually deliver the Ricin to the stadium .. i don't believe that there is any one in our industry susceptible .. you'd be killed anyway so you might as well not go - a short swim in the Thames isn't that bad is it?
The only one of us who ever did go anywhere because of the gun in his side (not that it mattered then) is actually running the 8 film helicopters which will be allowed 'in' !!
Can't we trust us? It's not too late - we designed whole aircraft in less than 2 months when we needed to in '44 - we could easily do this too - if we could be bothered.
Who's on the board from our industry? - can something be done?
Don't be defeatist.
Show of support please.. legacy for us too please
The thing that actually will stop the baddies is that we the industry have a long record of being pretty switched on actually - frequently many of us have done the right thing for the greater good , on the Q T .... so it is rather demeaning that the authorities can't be bothered to get to know who we are and trust us - WE are not the bad THEM - we are US - perhaps 'they' could make the effort to engage with us and permit us to stay in business - the Olympics will cost some businesses ONE WHOLE YEAR of labour to re-coup the cost or perhaps put them (US) out of business!!
Please let us live - we're really happy to have the Olympics here - we don't even mind paying for it ! but how about let us run helicopter shuttles for instance - let us share the economic stimulus... The Onshore Helicopter industry could enjoy this payday to keep it in business against the odds ...
Have the terrorists won? Have they put us out of business? We don't need to let them beat us ... we can operate safely, security wise, it's not that hard.
So I pay half of what I earn to employ state operatives - are they going to deny me the other half of what i earn too ? What will we eat?
There is a process - it isn't too late - there are probably only 100 pilots which keep 2500 others employed - we could get them (all well known to the 'Authorities') to phone in a flight intention to a nominated 'Authority' (eg an FOI, or their local police etc ) prior to flight just to assure that there is no duress...
.. and i guess that our 'population' has enough fiber that it would be pretty hard to get one of us to actually deliver the Ricin to the stadium .. i don't believe that there is any one in our industry susceptible .. you'd be killed anyway so you might as well not go - a short swim in the Thames isn't that bad is it?
The only one of us who ever did go anywhere because of the gun in his side (not that it mattered then) is actually running the 8 film helicopters which will be allowed 'in' !!
Can't we trust us? It's not too late - we designed whole aircraft in less than 2 months when we needed to in '44 - we could easily do this too - if we could be bothered.
Who's on the board from our industry? - can something be done?
Don't be defeatist.
Show of support please.. legacy for us too please
Its too late now, but I would have mandated ALL non-military light fixed wing and helis to be repositioned from their private sites to designated airfields for the period. Then NOTHING moves without an airside personal clearance from security. There's got to be a better way!
However, terrorists may not be deterred
Has any advice or tips been given by police to UK pilots about countering the threat of hostage taking?
If there was/is such a threat it may not have been deterred by ground to air missiles, fighter jets or restriction zones.
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A little too late to be changing anything now. The security process for the games is huge but i would focus efforts on compensation for those affected. I seen the winter games shutdown all the local flying schools for 3 months there was talk of compensation but i think after it was all over it was a little too late as well.
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What would we do if we were French? Here's a suggestion....
Get in touch with a red top that's annoyed with the Government at the moment (that's all of them) and get it to announce an Olympics Celebration Flypast.
Fill machines with children, veterans, daytime TV celebs and even Pudsey the fricken dog! File a flight plan (which will be rejected). Form up outside the area, fly H4, H7 without permission, but as per flight plan.
In France we'd be heroes fighting for our rights. In the UK we'd be criminals, endangering life and not made of the right stuff (read compliant stuff).
But would they shoot us down??? I guess if we've got David Dickenson on-board the answer might be yes...
I've got tickets for the Boxing on the 10th of August so I'm busy that day.
Get in touch with a red top that's annoyed with the Government at the moment (that's all of them) and get it to announce an Olympics Celebration Flypast.
Fill machines with children, veterans, daytime TV celebs and even Pudsey the fricken dog! File a flight plan (which will be rejected). Form up outside the area, fly H4, H7 without permission, but as per flight plan.
In France we'd be heroes fighting for our rights. In the UK we'd be criminals, endangering life and not made of the right stuff (read compliant stuff).
But would they shoot us down??? I guess if we've got David Dickenson on-board the answer might be yes...
I've got tickets for the Boxing on the 10th of August so I'm busy that day.
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The entire thing is just an extension of the craven mentality that roughs up 80yr old grannys at Heathrow in the name of "security"
It is nothing to do with that, neither are the unuseable missiles and fighters. It is a ploy by our spineless political "leaders" to deflect public opinion in the event of something nasty happening that will enable them to claim "look at the exclusion zone and all those fighters and missiles,we did all we could, it wasnt our fault". The fact that none of them are worth a practical jot isnt important.
They might just as well deploy polaris submarines for all the good they do to stop terrorists attacking the Olympics.
This is preventative publicity, pure and simple. Nothing more. Nothing less.
But none the less shameful for that.
Im with Firebird, lets get the Turbulent team or something equally innocuous - Tiger Moths perhaps, to do a formation flypast. That should be a route to living immortality!
It is nothing to do with that, neither are the unuseable missiles and fighters. It is a ploy by our spineless political "leaders" to deflect public opinion in the event of something nasty happening that will enable them to claim "look at the exclusion zone and all those fighters and missiles,we did all we could, it wasnt our fault". The fact that none of them are worth a practical jot isnt important.
They might just as well deploy polaris submarines for all the good they do to stop terrorists attacking the Olympics.
This is preventative publicity, pure and simple. Nothing more. Nothing less.
But none the less shameful for that.
Im with Firebird, lets get the Turbulent team or something equally innocuous - Tiger Moths perhaps, to do a formation flypast. That should be a route to living immortality!
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Could we get Colin to do the fly by ? It would give him a job .....and at least we know he won't whimp out like TC or Silsoe if something as minor as a light comes on .
Thanks Nige.
The rest of you - smell the coffee lads, this is a once in a lifetime event and if you think the system is going to even consider jeopardising the event because of a dodgy puddle jumper drifiting into zone or even a pro charter flt being hi-jacked...you're in cloud cuckoo land.
Ground the lot, carpet ban everything and at least you minimse the risk to a workable level.
I'd love to hear your alternatives
The rest of you - smell the coffee lads, this is a once in a lifetime event and if you think the system is going to even consider jeopardising the event because of a dodgy puddle jumper drifiting into zone or even a pro charter flt being hi-jacked...you're in cloud cuckoo land.
Ground the lot, carpet ban everything and at least you minimse the risk to a workable level.
I'd love to hear your alternatives
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