HEMS in Saudí Arabia
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That is pretty low. I did about 200 in a year in Qatar during the proof-of-concept year. That is averaging a .5 launch to finished flight time in a day only operation. I would think that KSA would offer some longer legs with a like number of events and 24 hour operations.
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mfriskel, on the 18/19 Jul, we had traffic advisories about a helicopter lifting off from a hospital and remaining below 500 feet, I think the callsign was HZ-RC2 (or similar), as it was 1am, i have no idea about the type.
Swisherd76, I love your enthusiasm and confidence. Comparing Aramco with "ANY" other Saudi company is a big mistake....... Good Luck.
Mutt
Swisherd76, I love your enthusiasm and confidence. Comparing Aramco with "ANY" other Saudi company is a big mistake....... Good Luck.
Mutt
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I think the callsign was HZ-RC02
That'll be a 'Bell 412 Classic' that you heard; it's based at OEJF and operated by Abu Dhabi Aviation for SRCA.
Last edited by wazz'n'zoom; 3rd August 2012 at 19:44.
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Mutt,
I am sure the acft wasn't an Explorer. They only got a couple out of country when things went bad, and the two that were left were in no shape to fly two years ago. They have been left to rot since then. Would be interesting to see if someone did get one airworthy now, and who that someone might be.
I am sure the acft wasn't an Explorer. They only got a couple out of country when things went bad, and the two that were left were in no shape to fly two years ago. They have been left to rot since then. Would be interesting to see if someone did get one airworthy now, and who that someone might be.
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From: ...in view of the 'Southern Cross' ...
Mmmmm ...
swishy ....
Might it be that you perceive my comments negatively because they clash with your own biased views.
I could (but I won't) list all of the issues that should have been addressed by SRCA in setting up a HEMS service in the Kingdom ... things that should have been done just to meet the normal requirements for any aviation operation let alone an aeromedical one.
Things that many of the posters on this thread (not just me) have witnessed for themselves because they have been there and seen personally just where those deficiencies lay.
If your saying that SRCA purposefully denied those past operators those things that were required because PHI advised them that they were not necessary and that those decisions were approved at a board level ... well that just proves my point.
The thing is ... a lot of motivated Aviators and Paramedics signed up to go to Saudi with the intention of doing a 'first class' 'worlds best practice' job ... when they got there they found that was just not going to happen.
And to address your quote ...
....Your way is the right way; therefore the correct observation based on what exactly?
I can only guess your inferring that I have may have limited experience to back up my views ..... perhaps your right (but I don't think so) ... I note from your log on data that you purport to be 34 yrs of age ... that if true means that I flew my first EMS task before you were born ... and I have been involved with this type of tasking for some considerable time ... I guess its that long timescale of accrued knowledge that allows me to make those judgements.
I do hope the PHI HEMS incarnation works for the people of Saudi Arabia .... time WILL tell .... but I can tell you that 'Faith & Optimism' will just NOT hack the pace in EMS or Aviation .... it needs a motivated skilled & trained up team that can see where things need to be improved and then do that quickly .... It also should not be burdened by an inept egotistic bureaucracy ... Quite the opposite in fact!
Lives depend on it !!
In the meantime ... I will of course continue to enjoy being me
Cheers ...
swishy ....
Might it be that you perceive my comments negatively because they clash with your own biased views.
I could (but I won't) list all of the issues that should have been addressed by SRCA in setting up a HEMS service in the Kingdom ... things that should have been done just to meet the normal requirements for any aviation operation let alone an aeromedical one.
Things that many of the posters on this thread (not just me) have witnessed for themselves because they have been there and seen personally just where those deficiencies lay.
If your saying that SRCA purposefully denied those past operators those things that were required because PHI advised them that they were not necessary and that those decisions were approved at a board level ... well that just proves my point.
The thing is ... a lot of motivated Aviators and Paramedics signed up to go to Saudi with the intention of doing a 'first class' 'worlds best practice' job ... when they got there they found that was just not going to happen.
And to address your quote ...
....Your way is the right way; therefore the correct observation based on what exactly?
I can only guess your inferring that I have may have limited experience to back up my views ..... perhaps your right (but I don't think so) ... I note from your log on data that you purport to be 34 yrs of age ... that if true means that I flew my first EMS task before you were born ... and I have been involved with this type of tasking for some considerable time ... I guess its that long timescale of accrued knowledge that allows me to make those judgements.
I do hope the PHI HEMS incarnation works for the people of Saudi Arabia .... time WILL tell .... but I can tell you that 'Faith & Optimism' will just NOT hack the pace in EMS or Aviation .... it needs a motivated skilled & trained up team that can see where things need to be improved and then do that quickly .... It also should not be burdened by an inept egotistic bureaucracy ... Quite the opposite in fact!
Lives depend on it !!
In the meantime ... I will of course continue to enjoy being me
Cheers ...
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Swisherd,
I think you are missing the point. ADA, PHI, are all capable operators. I can't speak for AA. The problem is with the customer. If I offend anyone by this next statement then I am not sorry. A lot of the arab world is brought up thinking that it is ok to lie to your face if it gets them what they need. It only becomes a problem when the lie is found out. They are masters at blowing sunshine up your as$. If you are going over for the PHI contract, ensure you keep this in the back of your mind.
Cheers,
I think you are missing the point. ADA, PHI, are all capable operators. I can't speak for AA. The problem is with the customer. If I offend anyone by this next statement then I am not sorry. A lot of the arab world is brought up thinking that it is ok to lie to your face if it gets them what they need. It only becomes a problem when the lie is found out. They are masters at blowing sunshine up your as$. If you are going over for the PHI contract, ensure you keep this in the back of your mind.
Cheers,
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From: ...in view of the 'Southern Cross' ...
Mmmm ...
Oh dear .. there seems like there is going to be a delay with the much vaunted PHI input to the SRCA Saudi HEMS project ....
I wonder what the problem might be ??
Oh dear .. there seems like there is going to be a delay with the much vaunted PHI input to the SRCA Saudi HEMS project ....
I wonder what the problem might be ??
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From: ...in view of the 'Southern Cross' ...
Mmmmm ...
......it was agreed upon (awhile ago) to commence the project in September and it already began as scheduled without issue......
Well thats NOT what I hear ... ADA crews still in their appropriate seats and no sign of PHI ... anywhere
Perhaps they'll arrive after Hajj ?
......it was agreed upon (awhile ago) to commence the project in September and it already began as scheduled without issue......
Well thats NOT what I hear ... ADA crews still in their appropriate seats and no sign of PHI ... anywhere
Perhaps they'll arrive after Hajj ?
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From: Canada
Bell 412 and S-76 to Start?
There were reports of a Bell 412 and S-76 in Saudi markings at Lafayette in early summer. Where these the first helicopters deployed to Saudi Arabia ... or other types? (The rest of the new Bell 412s were registered to PHI mid-summer)